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james_s:

--- Quote from: tom66 on July 08, 2020, 08:44:37 am ---They claimed that because she didn't say Jewish but Israel that she was not racist, but they were not heard out.  *This* is the consequence of your decision to permit absolutely no ambiguity or fine-grain decision making.  It's quite beautiful.

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I didn't think either "Jewish" or "Israel" were races?  :-//  Am I taking the term "race" too literally? Did I miss a memo?
Sal Ammoniac:

--- Quote from: SkyMaster on July 08, 2020, 02:19:17 am ---If I was in their shoes, I would probably have a rebellious attitude.
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And so the cycle self-perpetuates... :palm:
james_s:

--- Quote from: coppice on July 08, 2020, 03:08:17 pm ---I wonder if for many Americans a focus on black vs white is a way of diverting their minds from just how gruesome the history of America has been. Just focus on one area of injustice, and ignore all the rest. What about the genecide of indigenous Americans? What about the waves of Chinese tricked into going to the western side of America with the promise of good jobs? What they found were indentured servitude conditions building the railroads, or working in mines in Arizona that would have made the actual slaves think "man, those people REALLY have it tough". What about the workers in northern industrial towns who couldn't be motivated to fight slavery, because they thought the slaves had better conditions than they did? When there was a downturn the factory workers starved on the streets, while a slave owner needed to keep his assets in good shape for the next upturn.

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Every nation has its dark era, some more recently than others, I do not think America is unique here. Even today there are countries where slavery currently exists, where genocide is taking place, lands have been conquered and conquered again by other nations/tribes. I'm not suggesting we ignore these things or pretend they never happened, or that because another country did it that makes it ok, but it's a bit silly to suggest that one nation has a dark past while others do not.
coppice:

--- Quote from: james_s on July 08, 2020, 05:21:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on July 08, 2020, 03:08:17 pm ---I wonder if for many Americans a focus on black vs white is a way of diverting their minds from just how gruesome the history of America has been. Just focus on one area of injustice, and ignore all the rest. What about the genecide of indigenous Americans? What about the waves of Chinese tricked into going to the western side of America with the promise of good jobs? What they found were indentured servitude conditions building the railroads, or working in mines in Arizona that would have made the actual slaves think "man, those people REALLY have it tough". What about the workers in northern industrial towns who couldn't be motivated to fight slavery, because they thought the slaves had better conditions than they did? When there was a downturn the factory workers starved on the streets, while a slave owner needed to keep his assets in good shape for the next upturn.

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Every nation has its dark era, some more recently than others, I do not think America is unique here. Even today there are countries where slavery currently exists, where genocide is taking place, lands have been conquered and conquered again by other nations/tribes. I'm not suggesting we ignore these things or pretend they never happened, or that because another country did it that makes it ok, but it's a bit silly to suggest that one nation has a dark past while others do not.

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The only unique thing about the US is it has moved so rapidly from a period of sustained darkness to a modern affluent era where people have nothing better to do than muse over a dark past they cannot change.
SkyMaster:

--- Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on July 08, 2020, 05:21:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: SkyMaster on July 08, 2020, 02:19:17 am ---If I was in their shoes, I would probably have a rebellious attitude.
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And so the cycle self-perpetuates... :palm:

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The initial "cycle" was perpetuated during 350 years, it is possible that the reaction then self perpetuate for 350 years, in order to reach equilibrium.

See you in year 2325.

 :)
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