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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
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langwadt:

--- Quote from: nuclearcat on July 11, 2020, 01:42:59 pm ---
UPD:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=49decddd39e5f6132ccd7d9fdc3d7c470b0061bb

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+For symbol names and documentation, avoid introducing new usage of
+'master / slave' (or 'slave' independent of 'master') and 'blacklist /
+whitelist'.

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It seems only symbol names and documentation. Still, documentation might be corner case...

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as silly as the whole things is "avoid introducing new usage" is a helluva lot more reasonable than banned must
charge everything going back to the start of time

Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: Simon on July 11, 2020, 02:40:08 pm ---Just ignore them, if they want people to write free software they will have to take what they get and like it.
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They're paid by companies, so they don't care.

What happens is that if you submit a bug fix, and it has a Bad Word in it, your submission will be completely ignored.
In the best case, someone else submits an essentially same bug fix without bad words, with zero reference to you or your original submission, and that gets included.
In the worst case, the bug remains open.

If you submit a new driver, none of the developers will consider it, due to the Bad Words in it.  Its merits won't matter.

I find this insane and offensive.  Who can I boycott?  :P
Zero999:

--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 07, 2020, 04:31:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 07, 2020, 09:50:31 am ---I know all of that, but you've missed the point. It's no coincidence the word black, rather than African or even brown, were originally chosen to describe Africans, because it has negative connotations. Black animals are often seen as bad/evil, avoid black cats, the black sheep of the family etc.

It's stupid to talk about black and white people, because the terms aren't even descriptive! No one is black or white, but brown or pink.

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No you have missed my point. It is a coincidence that African people were called black, and the association with evil. They were called black long before the idea of white supremacy. Historically races  mixed and treated equally. For example, a commander at a Roman camp in Britain was black. Of course, Romans thought their culture was superior, but the people who became Roman citizens was very broad.

It wasn't until Europeans were looking for excuses to go colonising and enslaving other continents, that the idea of white supremacy was created to justify it, backed up by bogus theology and science. The idea that Africans were called black because of association with evil is a modern retrofitting.

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That's a load of bollocks. The English language didn't even exist in the Roman times and the human race has never ever been harmonious.

Europeans didn't really start to attempt to classify different races, until they were already enslaving Africans. Such attempts were clearly biased and are regarded as scientific racism nowadays. Saharan Africans were given the term Negroid (derived from Negro, which is Spanish for black) and deemed to be inferior to whites. It's makes no sense that the words nigger and Negro are deemed to be racist, whilst black isn't, when it means the same thing.

Even if we stick with black as purely a descriptive term for skin colour, which it isn't, as no one naturally has black skin, but dark brown, it would still make a lot more sense to stop using it to describe people, than to cleanse the English language of all instances of the word black used in a negative context.
Ed.Kloonk:
The irony is telling a 'white' person what they cannot say.

coppice:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 11, 2020, 03:33:13 pm ---Europeans didn't really start to attempt to classify different races, until they were already enslaving Africans.

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When did Europeans actually enslave Africans? We know Europeans have a history of enslaving each other. We know people from the Barbary Coast enslaved a lot of Europeans. Europeans generally bought pre-enslaved Africans and traded and used them. The actual enslavers are still in business enslaving and selling their neighbours today. North America is a real odd man out historically, where the slave owners and slaves were generally easy to tell apart. Even the steady flow of black slaves into North Africa didn't create such a clear skin colour divide. It also didn't leave much of a black population, as it appears they castrated all their male slaves. Nobody cares about race when there's money to be made.
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