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| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: edavid on June 12, 2020, 02:49:11 pm ---I really don't understand the people who have to let their extremist (to me) views hang out, turning a technical forum into a toxic environment. I would love to see the hostility dial turned down from 11 to maybe 5. --- End quote --- Sure, I'd like that too. Thing is, how do you make that happen? Let's say you put up a banner in the 'Post reply' window that says 'Don't be a dick, think twice what you write.' I'm willing to bet that that sort of thing would actually make the responses only more hostile, because accusing the innocent majority just gets them riled up and angry. See? Good intentions are good, but we don't actually have any way to make wishes come true. The tools we do have to implement things have pretty serious repercussions, so talking about what we wish for isn't actually useful. In various Western countries, things are now afoot that force people to behave or interact in certain ways by law – not that many countries have free speech at all! –, and that has thus far always backfired spectacularly, sooner or later. |
| engrguy42:
I suppose one way to look at this is to be happy that our lives must be doing so well that the biggest worries we have are little more than hurt feelings and being offended. I imagine our grandparents and great-grandparents who lived thru stuff like WWII have a slightly different perspective. When your worries are more towards "will a bomb drop on my city tomorrow?", stuff like being offended by things people say becomes a bit less relevant. Which is one of the optimistic hopes I have for this pandemic thing. Maybe, in a year or two, when this dies down, people will start to put life in perspective. Maybe they'll realize that staying alive is tops on their list of things-to-do, rather than silly things like worrying about being offended by others' words. I recall the Brits had a great perspective: "A stiff upper lip". Learn to deal with life as it comes. Grow stronger. And another great saying from the past: "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Hopefully that's one of the outcomes of this pandemic thing. People grow up and act like adults. They grow stronger and put life in perspective. Or not... |
| pepelevamp:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 12, 2020, 02:41:28 pm ---Just because some feel uncomfortable in a community does not mean the community needs to change. .............. Learning to co-operate, or leaving for somewhere else, perhaps even building a competing community, is always a better choice, because then there is the possibility of creating something positive – and not just changing something existing, and hoping the change is positive. --- End quote --- This post is actually super thoughtful. There's no way on earth a person is able to output this content without an enormous amount of thought & computation & self-reflection. You have gone a long way to quantify the hardship of trying to comply with seemingly popular requests to adjust your language. Aside from the rules not being consistent, you have pointed out that indeed you may never have even the slightest intent of malice - yet you are being made to correct your actions. When you go out into society & tell people to fix what they're saying with the objective of removing malice that was never there - you will not remove malice. You also pointed out that its easy to try & get communities to change versus the other options. I said myself that its easy to pick fights with people who are 90% on your side. The real nazis are elsewhere. There are true bad actors out there who's actual intent is to create disharmony, chaos and in-fighting in any community that opposes them. Thats their intent. Unfortunately with it being super easy to critique the language of others like ya got a mad case of OCD - it just makes it all too easy for true bad actors who wish to instill chaos to actually succeed. Doing the enemy's work for them. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: engrguy42 on June 12, 2020, 03:02:26 pm ---I suppose one way to look at this is to be happy that our lives must be doing so well that the biggest worries we have are little more than hurt feelings and being offended. I imagine our grandparents and great-grandparents who lived thru stuff like WWII have a slightly different perspective. When your worries are more towards "will a bomb drop on my city tomorrow?", stuff like being offended by things people say becomes a bit less relevant. Which is one of the optimistic hopes I have for this pandemic thing. Maybe, in a year or two, when this dies down, people will start to put life in perspective. Maybe they'll realize that staying alive is tops on their list of things-to-do, rather than silly things like worrying about being offended by others' words. I recall the Brits had a great perspective: "A stiff upper lip". Learn to deal with life as it comes. Grow stronger. And another great saying from the past: "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Hopefully that's one of the outcomes of this pandemic thing. People grow up and act like adults. They grow stronger and put life in perspective. Or not... --- End quote --- Pretty much, yes. My daughter has recently been bemoaning that she slips between all the UK government covid aid packages. She's pivoted herself remarkably well, but I still find it useful to point out that I will regard the next year as a success if we are both alive at the end of it. A low hurdle, perhaps - but I deliberately didn't include her 99yo grandmother in it :( |
| vodka:
Wellcome to Globalist Agenda Political and social analysis of distopical movie "Demolition Man" https://youtu.be/DrUNIX2Iv04 |
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