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Zero999:

--- Quote from: maginnovision on July 22, 2020, 03:56:17 pm ---https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/lady-antebellum-lady-a-country-blues-1013919/

Lady Antebellum changes name to Lady A which was already taken by a blues artist. Lady antebellum is an all white group and Lady A is a single black woman. Literally, trying to look good, caused harm to a person they would identify as a member of the group they're trying not to harm.


--- Quote ---“I’m not about to stop using my name. For them to not even reach out is pure privilege” — Anita White, known professionally as Lady A
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The moral of the story is, it's often impossible to not to offend someone.


--- Quote from: lukego on July 23, 2020, 06:50:24 am ---
--- Quote from: 0culus on July 23, 2020, 04:59:49 am ---Why does it give you bad vibes? How about explaining your position instead of posting snark?

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So to me it's like going to a party where everybody is mingling and having a good time, then someone asks "hey did you like Lord of the Rings?" Someone says yes, someone says no, but then the host and his mates launch into an hour-long prepared speech about how Peter Jackson fundamentally misunderstood the books and anybody who likes the films is provably a philistine.

Then the next time there's a party the only people who turn up are the ones who love ragging on Peter Jackson, plus a couple of idiots like me who are slow to react to social cues and need to be vanquished a second time.

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Yes, unfortunately there are many bad vibes in this thread.

Sorry, I can't identify with your Lord of the Rings analogy, as I've never read the book/watched the film.

Exactly what is your position on the subject here and why? You haven't explicitly stated it.

To summarise:
A small minority think it's a good idea to change the words master/slave, because they find them offensive.

Most people disagree with this proposition, as they don't find the words master & slave are offensive. They think it depends on the context and that changing them would require a lot of effort, for no good reason.

The reason for the bad vibes is some large organisations are making changes which will make peoples lives harder, when only a small minority support them.
Ed.Kloonk:
Can I suggest that we all agree that it's the seemingly invisible, insidious movement that instigated the M/S discussion in the first place is the thing that should receive all our collective venom?



bd139:
Yes.

Simon:

--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 23, 2020, 08:49:45 am ---Can I suggest that we all agree that it's the seemingly invisible, insidious movement that instigated the M/S discussion in the first place is the thing that should receive all our collective venom?


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In that case it would go horribly political fast and get very nasty.
Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: Simon on July 23, 2020, 09:43:41 am ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 23, 2020, 08:49:45 am ---Can I suggest that we all agree that it's the seemingly invisible, insidious movement that instigated the M/S discussion in the first place is the thing that should receive all our collective venom?


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In that case it would go horribly political fast and get very nasty.

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I didn't say they should do it here.

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