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| kizmit99:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 26, 2020, 01:57:05 pm --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on July 26, 2020, 01:47:54 pm ---https://www.change.org/p/institute-of-electrical-and-electronics-engineers-stop-allowing-master-slave-terminology-in-technical-papers-9f405a6c-5c4c-4f62-adf4-187cd24491d8?source_location=topic_page --- End quote --- There isn't an option to disagree, so it's stupid. :palm: --- End quote --- And (apparently) you can only comment if you sign the petition - talk about an echo chamber... |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:17:47 pm --- --- Quote from: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 03:06:42 pm ---I somewhat remember, a similar thing, to the theme of this thread (challenging master/slave), something around 25 to 35+ years ago. It was an attempt to make things much more inclusive (around male/female terms), a sort of women/female-movement. E.g. Renaming of Firemen, Policeman, Postman, Binman, etc. As well as many other things, to 'balance out', the mix of sexes (male/female), across jobs, and make it much fairer, for women. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Elimination_of_All_Forms_of_Discrimination_Against_Women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality So, around 1980 I guess, so approximately 40 years ago. What you want/need here, is equal opportunity, to do the different jobs, regardless of disability, age, male/female, weight, height, background, race, religion, etc etc. With (hopefully) obvious exceptions. But what you don't want/need, is to force each job type, to have a mixture/balance, EXACTLY the same level as in the general population. Because if you force it, it can mean that unsuitable people are given the job, who are not really interested in it. Which can be damaging for that job function. I.e. If you are suited to be an Electronics Engineer, then you can be, even if you are different to the normal profile of an Electronics Engineer. But, forcing, e.g. 50% of them to be female, could mean that you end of with people, who are not interested in engineering, and it could damage the quality of the items, or lead to sky high salaries, in order to attract, the few, genuine engineers, from that category. I.e. Equal opportunity, not forced percentages, imposed on employees. Get the job(s), because of your merits for doing the job, not because you tick the population mix percentage tick boxes. --- End quote --- You've got to understand that the agenda is so sinister that it doesn't care about consequences you mention. --- End quote --- I'm not sure I'd call it "sinister", it is more a case of being "stupid nice", or trying to solve a problem in a counterproductive way... There's a lot of that going around - a strong desire to do good that is not backed up by enough ability to actually make a sustainable actual improvement to the world as a whole. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 03:24:31 pm --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:17:47 pm ---You've got to understand that the agenda is so sinister that it doesn't care about consequences you mention. --- End quote --- I hope the agenda, is to make society, a nicer, fairer, happier, environment, for everyone. But, sometimes, the way they try and achieve this (politically), ends up being unfair, to many other people. (Difficult to give examples, without creating political discussion, so I'll stop here, and not give examples). --- End quote --- All you gotta know is these people need to be told to stick to their knitting. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:29:10 pm --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:17:47 pm ---You've got to understand that the agenda is so sinister that it doesn't care about consequences you mention. --- End quote --- I'm not sure I'd call it "sinister", it is more a case of being "stupid nice", or trying to solve a problem in a counterproductive way... There's a lot of that going around - a strong desire to do good that is not backed up by enough ability to actually make a sustainable actual improvement to the world as a whole. --- End quote --- Its an agenda that can only be achieved by authoritarianism, and I consider authoritarians sinister. |
| MK14:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2020, 03:26:21 pm ---Its worse that just getting unsuitable people. Its a recipe for greater human misery, as people get bullied into doing things they don't want to do, and prevented from doing things they do want to do. Many studies show that Western women have been getting less and less satisfied with their lives since the 1960s, so the current course doesn't seen to be bringing them any joy. --- End quote --- The so called 'Do-Gooders', as discussed, earlier in this thread. Which in practice, can cause all sorts of bad things, to potentially everyone. E.g. Banning tungsten filament bulbs (for new sales in the EU). When there are all sorts of applications and people, who still, quite rightly want (and deserve), to be able to use them. Yes there are Led lights, but they can hurt your eyes (too bright, wrong light colour), flicker, and be annoying in other ways. |
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