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| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2020, 03:26:21 pm --- --- Quote from: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 03:06:42 pm ---What you want/need here, is equal opportunity, to do the different jobs, regardless of disability, age, male/female, weight, height, background, race, religion, etc etc. With (hopefully) obvious exceptions. But what you don't want/need, is to force each job type, to have a mixture/balance, EXACTLY the same level as in the general population. Because if you force it, it can mean that unsuitable people are given the job, who are not really interested in it. Which can be damaging for that job function. --- End quote --- Its worse that just getting unsuitable people. Its a recipe for greater human misery, as people get bullied into doing things they don't want to do, and prevented from doing things they do want to do. Many studies show that Western women have been getting less and less satisfied with their lives since the 1960s, so the current course doesn't seen to be bringing them any joy. --- End quote --- Getting women into the workforce has basically changed the system so families don't have 2x disposable income, instead house prices went up so now both partners have to work just to make the budget hang together and maintain the same standard of living that used to require one salary in the past. With full time work, women are getting all the stress and work related illnesses that used to be the sole domain of men. Often they end up doing most of the housework / child rearing as well... Of course, it is a choice to some extent. My wife and I decided that we'd take a hit on the disposable income front, and have her be 100% "homemaker" for about 10 years while the kids were small. It was really tough financially compared to when she was working, but by cutting back on everything we managed. - and no regrets! - we were a happy family and I think this decision was a big part of the reason. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:37:33 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2020, 03:26:21 pm --- --- Quote from: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 03:06:42 pm ---What you want/need here, is equal opportunity, to do the different jobs, regardless of disability, age, male/female, weight, height, background, race, religion, etc etc. With (hopefully) obvious exceptions. But what you don't want/need, is to force each job type, to have a mixture/balance, EXACTLY the same level as in the general population. Because if you force it, it can mean that unsuitable people are given the job, who are not really interested in it. Which can be damaging for that job function. --- End quote --- Its worse that just getting unsuitable people. Its a recipe for greater human misery, as people get bullied into doing things they don't want to do, and prevented from doing things they do want to do. Many studies show that Western women have been getting less and less satisfied with their lives since the 1960s, so the current course doesn't seen to be bringing them any joy. --- End quote --- Getting women into the workforce has basically changed the system so families don't have 2x disposable income, instead house prices went up so now both partners have to work just to make the budget hang together and maintain the same standard of living that used to require one salary in the past. With full time work, women are getting all the stress and work related illnesses that used to be the sole domain of men. Often they end up doing most of the housework / child rearing as well... Of course, it is a choice to some extent. My wife and I decided that we'd take a hit on the disposable income front, and have her be 100% "homemaker" for about 10 years while the kids were small. It was really tough financially compared to when she was working, but by cutting back on everything we managed. - and no regrets! - we were a happy family and I think this decision was a big part of the reason. --- End quote --- The girls are now frowned upon for wanting a family. Apparently having a kid futzes with their independence. Check out youtuber Georgia Free. Really in a quandary. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:43:41 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:37:33 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2020, 03:26:21 pm --- --- Quote from: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 03:06:42 pm ---What you want/need here, is equal opportunity, to do the different jobs, regardless of disability, age, male/female, weight, height, background, race, religion, etc etc. With (hopefully) obvious exceptions. But what you don't want/need, is to force each job type, to have a mixture/balance, EXACTLY the same level as in the general population. Because if you force it, it can mean that unsuitable people are given the job, who are not really interested in it. Which can be damaging for that job function. --- End quote --- Its worse that just getting unsuitable people. Its a recipe for greater human misery, as people get bullied into doing things they don't want to do, and prevented from doing things they do want to do. Many studies show that Western women have been getting less and less satisfied with their lives since the 1960s, so the current course doesn't seen to be bringing them any joy. --- End quote --- Getting women into the workforce has basically changed the system so families don't have 2x disposable income, instead house prices went up so now both partners have to work just to make the budget hang together and maintain the same standard of living that used to require one salary in the past. With full time work, women are getting all the stress and work related illnesses that used to be the sole domain of men. Often they end up doing most of the housework / child rearing as well... Of course, it is a choice to some extent. My wife and I decided that we'd take a hit on the disposable income front, and have her be 100% "homemaker" for about 10 years while the kids were small. It was really tough financially compared to when she was working, but by cutting back on everything we managed. - and no regrets! - we were a happy family and I think this decision was a big part of the reason. --- End quote --- The girls are now frowned upon for wanting a family. Apparently having a kid futzes with their independence. Check out youtuber Georgia Free. Really in a quandary. --- End quote --- People are all different. Some, you value for their "independence". Some, you marry and have a family with. Never the twain shall meet. This has been the way of our species for millennia! :D |
| MK14:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:30:35 pm --- --- Quote from: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 03:24:31 pm --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:17:47 pm ---You've got to understand that the agenda is so sinister that it doesn't care about consequences you mention. --- End quote --- I hope the agenda, is to make society, a nicer, fairer, happier, environment, for everyone. But, sometimes, the way they try and achieve this (politically), ends up being unfair, to many other people. (Difficult to give examples, without creating political discussion, so I'll stop here, and not give examples). --- End quote --- All you gotta know is these people need to be told to stick to their knitting. --- End quote --- Well, I don't think everyone would agree with that. But, the so called "Do-Gooders", don't seem to take into account, genuine differences, between the sexes, racially, etc. tl;dr They are trying to 'hammer' in square pegs, into round holes (old expression), and think they are doing good. I.e. Put the wrong people, in the wrong job, for the wrong reasons. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:48:51 pm --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:43:41 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:37:33 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2020, 03:26:21 pm --- --- Quote from: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 03:06:42 pm ---What you want/need here, is equal opportunity, to do the different jobs, regardless of disability, age, male/female, weight, height, background, race, religion, etc etc. With (hopefully) obvious exceptions. But what you don't want/need, is to force each job type, to have a mixture/balance, EXACTLY the same level as in the general population. Because if you force it, it can mean that unsuitable people are given the job, who are not really interested in it. Which can be damaging for that job function. --- End quote --- Its worse that just getting unsuitable people. Its a recipe for greater human misery, as people get bullied into doing things they don't want to do, and prevented from doing things they do want to do. Many studies show that Western women have been getting less and less satisfied with their lives since the 1960s, so the current course doesn't seen to be bringing them any joy. --- End quote --- Getting women into the workforce has basically changed the system so families don't have 2x disposable income, instead house prices went up so now both partners have to work just to make the budget hang together and maintain the same standard of living that used to require one salary in the past. With full time work, women are getting all the stress and work related illnesses that used to be the sole domain of men. Often they end up doing most of the housework / child rearing as well... Of course, it is a choice to some extent. My wife and I decided that we'd take a hit on the disposable income front, and have her be 100% "homemaker" for about 10 years while the kids were small. It was really tough financially compared to when she was working, but by cutting back on everything we managed. - and no regrets! - we were a happy family and I think this decision was a big part of the reason. --- End quote --- The girls are now frowned upon for wanting a family. Apparently having a kid futzes with their independence. Check out youtuber Georgia Free. Really in a quandary. --- End quote --- People are all different. Some, you value for their "independence". Some, you marry and have a family with. Never the twain shall meet. This has been the way of our species for millennia! :D --- End quote --- Ha! Indeed. |
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