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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
Ed.Kloonk:
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--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:17:47 pm ---You've got to understand that the agenda is so sinister that it doesn't care about consequences you mention.
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I hope the agenda, is to make society, a nicer, fairer, happier, environment, for everyone.
But, sometimes, the way they try and achieve this (politically), ends up being unfair, to many other people.
(Difficult to give examples, without creating political discussion, so I'll stop here, and not give examples).
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All you gotta know is these people need to be told to stick to their knitting.
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Well, I don't think everyone would agree with that.
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Well, tough. :)
--- Quote ---But, the so called "Do-Gooders", don't seem to take into account, genuine differences, between the sexes, racially, etc.
tl;dr
They are trying to 'hammer' in square pegs, into round holes (old expression), and think they are doing good.
I.e. Put the wrong people, in the wrong job, for the wrong reasons.
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That sentence tells me that you are yet to truly understand your enemy. No offense.
coppice:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:37:33 pm ---Getting women into the workforce has basically changed the system so families don't have 2x disposable income, instead house prices went up so now both partners have to work just to make the budget hang together and maintain the same standard of living that used to require one salary in the past.
With full time work, women are getting all the stress and work related illnesses that used to be the sole domain of men. Often they end up doing most of the housework / child rearing as well...
Of course, it is a choice to some extent. My wife and I decided that we'd take a hit on the disposable income front, and have her be 100% "homemaker" for about 10 years while the kids were small. It was really tough financially compared to when she was working, but by cutting back on everything we managed. - and no regrets! - we were a happy family and I think this decision was a big part of the reason.
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Mothers used to care for their young. Now they work, and have to pay someone else to care for their young. Now the mother pays tax on her pay, and the child minder pays tax on their pay. This has been an excellent win-win for Western governments. Its weird. Most people say they hate paying taxes, yet walk right into exchanging untaxed work for taxed work. Its almost like people don't think things through.
Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2020, 03:56:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:37:33 pm ---Getting women into the workforce has basically changed the system so families don't have 2x disposable income, instead house prices went up so now both partners have to work just to make the budget hang together and maintain the same standard of living that used to require one salary in the past.
With full time work, women are getting all the stress and work related illnesses that used to be the sole domain of men. Often they end up doing most of the housework / child rearing as well...
Of course, it is a choice to some extent. My wife and I decided that we'd take a hit on the disposable income front, and have her be 100% "homemaker" for about 10 years while the kids were small. It was really tough financially compared to when she was working, but by cutting back on everything we managed. - and no regrets! - we were a happy family and I think this decision was a big part of the reason.
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Mothers used to care for their young. Now they work, and have to pay someone else to care for their young. Now the mother pays tax on her pay, and the child minder pays tax on their pay. This has been an excellent win-win for Western governments. Its weird. Most people say they hate paying taxes, yet walk right into exchanging untaxed work for taxed work. Its almost like people don't think things through.
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Check this out. Drew Barrymore is on Social Media having a tantrum about how hard it is to raise her bastard kids cos the hired nannies can't come to work during the koof.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2020, 03:32:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:29:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 26, 2020, 03:17:47 pm ---You've got to understand that the agenda is so sinister that it doesn't care about consequences you mention.
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I'm not sure I'd call it "sinister", it is more a case of being "stupid nice", or trying to solve a problem in a counterproductive way...
There's a lot of that going around - a strong desire to do good that is not backed up by enough ability to actually make a sustainable actual improvement to the world as a whole.
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Its an agenda that can only be achieved by authoritarianism, and I consider authoritarians sinister.
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Don't be intimidated! Try to figure out what kind of person you are dealing with. Example phone call with a female company representative I had never spoken with before, last week:
Me: "So you would need to discuss these requirements with your dev team?"
Her: "Yes, all of the things we've talked about here would be new features."
Me: "So how many guys are on the dev team? ... erm, I guess I should really say 'Guys and Gals' these days... !"
Her: "[laughs] 'Guys' is not gender specific, so you're safe there!"
Me: "[chuckles] I struggle a bit sometimes with 'They' and 'Them' and 'Their' and that kind of stuff. "
Her: "[laughs again] I've been in this business for a while. You can say 'Him' and 'Her' to me!"
Me: "[laughs] Good to know, in case I slip up! So nice talking with you, I'm looking out for your email."
Her: "[brightly] You too, catch up next week!"
So, now I know I'm dealing with an adult female with a brain, and that we are not going to be having any problems. That's the trick! (Needless to say, if she had turned out to be an authoritarian weirdo, I would not be doing any business with her. See how that works?)
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 26, 2020, 03:56:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 26, 2020, 03:37:33 pm ---Getting women into the workforce has basically changed the system so families don't have 2x disposable income, instead house prices went up so now both partners have to work just to make the budget hang together and maintain the same standard of living that used to require one salary in the past.
With full time work, women are getting all the stress and work related illnesses that used to be the sole domain of men. Often they end up doing most of the housework / child rearing as well...
Of course, it is a choice to some extent. My wife and I decided that we'd take a hit on the disposable income front, and have her be 100% "homemaker" for about 10 years while the kids were small. It was really tough financially compared to when she was working, but by cutting back on everything we managed. - and no regrets! - we were a happy family and I think this decision was a big part of the reason.
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Mothers used to care for their young. Now they work, and have to pay someone else to care for their young. Now the mother pays tax on her pay, and the child minder pays tax on their pay. This has been an excellent win-win for Western governments. Its weird. Most people say they hate paying taxes, yet walk right into exchanging untaxed work for taxed work. Its almost like people don't think things through.
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Good point. Then there is the children that lose out on not having as good a relationship with their mother. The mother also loses out on this. The father loses out too, including by not having a happy family to come home to.
"Not thought through" is the kindest description I've heard!
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