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Zero999:

--- Quote from: magic on July 27, 2020, 11:11:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 26, 2020, 12:34:57 pm ---The more I learn about human genetics, the more foolish groups which focus on dividing people into different races becomes. There's great genetic diversity in human populations across the world, but the lines between one human race and another are very blurred.

It's no secret that most so-called African-Americans are part European, due to the rape of slaves in the colonial era, but many Americans who consider themselves to be of entirely European decent have signifiant DNA from Africa. It's interesting to see how some white Americans react when they found out they're partly black!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/they-considered-themselves-white-but-dna-tests-told-a-more-complex-story/2018/02/06/16215d1a-e181-11e7-8679-a9728984779c_story.html

Let's stop putting people into groups: black, white, Hispanic etc. It would help to combat lots of the problems in our society.

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Come on, you are making the same mistake as dr Mengele trying to pin down everything on genetics, while
a) it's an elephant in the room that genetics aren't everything
b) it's an elephant in the room that nobody really knows jack shit about genetics

To elaborate on b) consider that when James Watson was fired for claiming that Africa is doomed because of genetics, they didn't fire him for making "untrue" statements but for making "scientifically unsubstantiated" and "horrible" statements. I hope you see the difference. Yes, you and a few other posters have made statements to the contrary of Watson's, and many journalists and lots of other wishful thinking people, but that's not evidence of anything.
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No, quite the reverse, I'm not pinning any aspects of human behaviour on genetics. I agree, not enough is known about genetics to make that kind of link about large groups of people yet. At the moment, evidence points towards culture and experience, shaping the behaviour of a group of people.

My point was, we enough is know about genetics, to know that the current racial groups are arbitrary and are purely cultural. Take Africa for example, being the cradle of humanity, it has the greatest genetic diversity vs area, compared to anywhere else, so putting everyone there into one group termed as "black", is nonsensical from a scientific perspective. The next time I fill out a form with a race field, I'll leave it blank, because it's a silly question.


--- Quote ---To elaborate on a) consider that you can greatly reduce your chances of having your house burglarized, or being mugged or raped in many places in the world, exactly by pigeon-holing people into groups you outlined, or similar. That helps many people combat their problems in their societies, as it happens.

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No, that's completely wrong. Violence amongst groups of people from other cultures, who've moved to a new place, with a different culture, is exacerbated by pigeon-holing people into groups. It promotes division, tribalism and discrimination against the newcomers, making them feel marginalised. These sorts of problems can be alleviated by peaceful, cultural assimilation. Immigrants who mix with the locals, learn their language, befriend and marry them, are much less likely to commit crimes and are more likely to achieve income parity with the locals. Note that I'm not talking about wiping out their culture entirely, as was the case with Native Americans, but allowing it to mix with the predominate culture. We've seen some cultural assimilation in this UK, where curry, is one of the nations favourite dishes. Unfortunately we need more of this and some of the recent government policies of multiculturalism haven't helped.

The history with slavery and segregation in the US is why people of African descent have had more of a hard time integrating with the rest of society, than other immigrants. Unfortunately the current black lives matter movement isn't helping. The name promotes division and many of them discourage good things such as: mixed marriage and parents forbidding their children from befriending whites.
magic:
Writing in "human race" or "race doesn't exist" might be an effective way of trolling them, but only if you follow it up with a lawsuit when they inevitably correct it based on empirical assessment by HR droids. If you think it will give them second thoughts or some cognitive dissonance, think again - they wouldn't be SJWs in the first place if they were capable of rational thought.

People are so conditioned to desire to appear "rational" that they will accept literally anything that is provided to them with some semblance of "rational" justification, truth and consistency be damned. Doublethink is the name of the game and Orwell was neither an instruction manual nor a warning, but simply an honest assessment of 20th century political reality.

"Trans butch lesbian" is definitely the optimal troll sexual orientation for men, after all it obliges one to exactly nothing controversial - you're just a straight guy who wants to hang out in ladies bathrooms for reasons that are none of anyone's business 8) Even if one day the fascists might end up taking over and getting their hands on your file, you will still stand a chance of weaseling out of the gulag if you keep your calm and explain the situation ;D


--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 28, 2020, 10:07:02 pm ---No, that's completely wrong. Violence amongst groups of people from other cultures, who've moved to a new place, with a different culture, is exacerbated by pigeon-holing people into groups.

These sorts of problems can be alleviated by peaceful, cultural assimilation.

Unfortunately we need more of this and some of the recent government policies of multiculturalism haven't helped.

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But look, I'm not talking about violence among minorities, but violence against my own egoistical ass. This one is most easily avoided by staying far away from ethnic minorities and keeping minorities far away from me. Works for us in Poland, we are a rare example of an EU country which hasn't had any terrorists attacks yet.

Plenty of people on this forum brag about their own "tip of the iceberg activism" such as hiring an odd woman or some actually educated Indian for an engineering job, but you probably don't live in the "no go zones" to support assimilation of immigrants. That's exactly why the left says that "wypypo are inherently racist" and try to force their way by diversity quotas in employment or even housing (rumor has it that Biden will revive some "anti-gentrification" policies planned by Obama). People have been hearing that "assimilation" talk for decades and yet a whole generation of "radicalized, disenfranchised youth" has somehow materialized out of those non-European immigrants right under your noses, and it seems that faith in the concept of spontaneous voluntary assimilation is collapsing pretty fast. And for good reason, because it simply isn't in anyone's personal interest.

Radical anti-racism is nothing new. Back in the day it would have been considered unthinkable to just allow anyone from anywhere to cross a national border on a whim without even identification, but for a while it has been widely permitted. Forced integration is nothing new - everybody talks about the nonwhite side of white flight ("we are left alone, nobody loves us") but nobody talks about the white side ("we abandoned our homes because the foreigners moved in"). So really, race quotas are the natural next step. You are worried about a backlash because it pisses you off, but the EDL has been pissed off for years now. It really is nothing new.

It's abundantly clear that diversity for diversity's sake has been a goal in itself for the West for a pretty long while now. These are just a few further steps taken in the same general direction of basically telling the majority to suck it up and sacrifice for the ever growing minorities. It just hit a bunch of EEs this time around and that's why this forum suddenly cares.
EEVblog:
@GeorgeOfTheJungle I have removed your post twice now. Do not post off-topic Youtube video.
If this thread does not attempt to stay on topic I'm going to lock it.
GeorgeOfTheJungle:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on July 29, 2020, 11:35:49 am ---@GeorgeOfTheJungle I have removed your post twice now. Do not post off-topic Youtube video.
If this thread does not attempt to stay on topic I'm going to lock it.

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Ok, sorry, I was asking you exactly that right now in a PM.
wilfred:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on July 29, 2020, 11:35:49 am ---@GeorgeOfTheJungle I have removed your post twice now. Do not post off-topic Youtube video.
If this thread does not attempt to stay on topic I'm going to lock it.

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Please don't let one member spoil it for at least 10 others. I appeal to you not to lock this thread. I'm confident it serves a useful function for the Forum community generally.
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