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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
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Simon:

--- Quote from: MK14 on July 29, 2020, 12:14:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on July 29, 2020, 12:00:14 pm ---these people, they are some right "samples" aren't they.....

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You're right (and your example(s) is making the grammar, circuits of my brain, hurt really bad).
They haven't thought some bits of it, thoroughly enough.

But some of them work out, surprisingly well.
Such as:
Whitelist becomes allowlist.
Blacklist becomes denylist.
Man hours becomes person hours or engineer hours
Master/slave becomes leader/follower



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Yes some are OK but for the confusion they will bring with mixed terminology and allow/denylist is not exactly new so no need for the hoo haa just use them in new code. The point is that these terms were never meant offensively and when someone tells you that you are a racist and should change them and you do all you do do is give them power, the power to continue to wage stupid battles ignoring the real issues.
Simon:

--- Quote from: paulca on July 29, 2020, 12:12:41 pm ---On the HR thing about, well, basically asking you to self declare your membership of certain groups or declaring you would like to be labelled one way or other...

I don't want any of those labels and I don't want to declare my "belonging", indentity or even "association" with those labels or groups.

So if I later found out that I was automatically labelled white and male, those are fairly apparent and do, I believe, form at least part of my legal identity and could be determined from, say, my passport.  Then that's okay.

If however they label me as "Straight, Cis Gender, Christian, British male", well then there is a problem, even if they do not apply policies or behave towards me, or assume my behaviour towards others based on that.  It fundamentally breaks human rights in EXACTLY the same way that the are claiming to be trying to prevent.

The hypocrisy and paradox of the extreme right, far left.

I am me.  Nothing else.  I am an individual.  I don't want labelled other than,  I'm an engineer.  I do work for you.  You pay me.  I behave in a civil way towards my peers and everyone else.  I am to create a civil and productive environment and expect the same.  That is all I am willing to be.  I will not be labelled, filed, stamped or numbered that says otherwise.

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Ever since I came back to the UK, if I fill in a form that ends with "and now to ensure racial equality in the way we deal with you please fill in your race" I refuse to fill that bit out. On any form I only give the information they NEED not the information that is supposed to help them deal with their own messed up idea of equality for, sex, religion or race.
MK14:

--- Quote from: Simon on July 29, 2020, 12:20:37 pm ---Yes some are OK but for the confusion they will bring with mixed terminology and allow/denylist is not exactly new so no need for the hoo haa just use them in new code. The point is that these terms were never meant offensively and when someone tells you that you are a racist and should change them and you do all you do do is give them power, the power to continue to wage stupid battles ignoring the real issues.

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To an extent, you are right. But I guess there is a team of different programmers (and other job functions, who might also see the source code, e.g. managers, testers, etc). So, you need a consistent set of coding standards, so the big company wide team(s), can work together, to produce useful software and other resources for the company.

E.g. (under normal times), you could have had a new worker, who is Vegan. Who was offended by a few variable names. (I'm being hypothetical here), such as TotalMeatCount, MaxMeat, MeatValue.
So, they have politely asked/requested, for those 3 variables, to be renamed, to be less offensive, to anyone who is a vegan.
Such as, TotalProteinCount, MaxProteinBoxes, ProteinValue.

Or a new programmer joins the team, who uses a wheelchair. So, there needs to be a few, reasonably small changes to the office space. To accommodate them.

In other words. A friendly, well oiled, business with a good work place environment. Maybe be able to peacefully implement these hypothetical changes. Without a great deal of drama.

But, your concern, of a possible 'Thin end of a Wedge' situation, where more and more demands are made. Until it starts hurting the business and its activities. Is also a valid point.
paulca:

--- Quote from: Simon on July 29, 2020, 12:22:37 pm ---Ever since I came back to the UK, if I fill in a form that ends with "and now to ensure racial equality in the way we deal with you please fill in your race" I refuse to fill that bit out. On any form I only give the information they NEED not the information that is supposed to help them deal with their own messed up idea of equality for, sex, religion or race.

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In Northern Ireland they have been doing it with "community identity" for decades.  They ask you:

Do you consider yourself to belong to one of the following:
Roman Catholic / Nationalist community.
Protestant / Loyalist community.
Neither / Prefer not to say.

If you tick the last box or if you obstain the process requires the HR drone processing your form to determine it other ways, such as Primary School attended or current address.

The concept is meant to be opaque from selection.  In that those deciding if you get the job or not are not privi to the information and HR are required to separate these Fair employment forms from your application and only track the relationship via a pure number which they keep completely secure from everything including their bosses.  Do this happen?  Of course not.

Back on topic (well more on topic) I was having a rant about work today and it went something like:

"You ask me to do things, but when I go and attempt to do them I find I do not have the privileges nor rights to do those things, my role does not permit me to do those things I am denied.  I have to ask my manager who is privileged to do those things on my behalf or to grant me the privilege."

I stopped and thought, oh ffs when the far left get hold of those concepts (ACLs basically)... they will explode is showers of sparks/justice cries.
Simon:
Well basically i will only give neccessary information, not information they want for PR. if it's medical or government i will tell them the necessary but as soon as it says anything about "equalities" I am a number.
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