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bd139:
This is the proto-nazis being legitimised by the current thought fads around.
Nominal Animal:
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--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 29, 2020, 08:08:55 pm ---I miss the times when we still had actual journalism, and reporters reported events, instead of spinning narratives and considering themselves to be the Guardians of Information Proper for General Consumption and Responsible for Correct Opinion Shaping. Oh, the examples I could give from recent events in Finland...
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you miss the days when the Whitenormative Patriarchal Social Order enforced a certain degree of cultural and ideological uniformity
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Exactly the opposite. I miss the times when you could get more than one view of events. When you could actually see and listen to discussions where the opponents had totally different viewpoints, but explained their reasons for the differences, instead of asserting correctness and the evility of their opponent.
I miss the times when reported described things that were happening, instead of presenting opinions about what was actually happening.
I miss Spitting Image and making fun of politicians and celebrities and self-important people. Now, outside of Orange Man Bad and Putin Did It, there is very little to none of it.
Now, I have to be careful when asked "have you listened to blah", because listening to the Other Side makes you a nazi and therefore legitimate target of cancellation or even violence. I like to listen to all sorts of people, not because I trust them, but because there is always a reason, a basis, for their opinions, and understanding those reasons helps one understand how other people see the world. Because of this, I am an Enemy to just about every clique you can think of, unless I keep myself extremely private.
When Political Correctness became mainstream, openness and plain civility died. Intelligence and reason is out, eusocial behaviour in.
paulca:
--- Quote from: bd139 on July 30, 2020, 04:42:18 pm ---This is the proto-nazis being legitimised by the current thought fads around.
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I think the far left have gone so far left the Integer overflowed and they suddenly ended up on the far right and haven't worked it out yet.
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 30, 2020, 05:00:50 pm ---I miss the times when you could get more than one view of events. When you could actually see and listen to discussions where the opponents had totally different viewpoints, but explained their reasons for the differences, instead of asserting correctness and the evility of their opponent.
I miss the times when reported described things that were happening, instead of presenting opinions about what was actually happening.
I miss Spitting Image and making fun of politicians and celebrities and self-important people. Now, outside of Orange Man Bad and Putin Did It, there is very little to none of it.
Now, I have to be careful when asked "have you listened to blah", because listening to the Other Side makes you a nazi and therefore legitimate target of cancellation or even violence. I like to listen to all sorts of people, not because I trust them, but because there is always a reason, a basis, for their opinions, and understanding those reasons helps one understand how other people see the world. Because of this, I am an Enemy to just about every clique you can think of, unless I keep myself extremely private.
When Political Correctness became mainstream, openness and plain civility died. Intelligence and reason is out, eusocial behaviour in.
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And all of this happened so freaking quickly!
Just some 10 years ago we were seeing some minor signs of all this, I think we had quite acceptable track record on freedom of press, freedom of speech, and ability to discuss difficult matters. If you represented the "wrong" political views shared by the majority of the people, that wasn't a reason for the social services to start a process to take your kids away, or a reason to try to kill you.
I didn't take it seriously, most sane people didn't, I was joking about all the conspiracy theorist nutjobs, and now, suddenly, we live in a totalitarian nightmare with total media control, lack of traditional democratic processes and have seen them replaced with modern ways of circumventing democracy through both borderline legal (but unintended by those who originally designed the democratic principles), and even completely illegal means (made easier by the lack of constitutional court, and the political power and weak enforcement ability of the "constitutional law committee"), political violence, and terror, built in just 5 years, and it looks like we are still halfway there, it likely gets worse. All of this is "spiced up" with the terminology relevant to this thread, intersectional feminism now being the official operating principle of the Finnish government. I mean, the popularity of that was measured in a democratic process - the result being 0.3% - but now it's there anyway.
It happened so suddenly, almost no one was expecting it! And now that we have only the remainings left, I do appreciate the classical democracy more than ever. It never was perfect, but it was quite damn good thing to have.
Specifically, I miss TV and newspapers, which is surprising because I didn't like to watch TV or read newspapers that much, but now I do miss them. I miss normal neutral TV programmes or newspaper articles about anything. I miss news; we haven't got much any news for a year or two now, we just have long propaganda shows similar to what the Soviet Union used to have. Everything leads to the political point of view, there are very few non-political matters left. I could read "alternative media" or "lie media" as it's called here officially, trying to find the balance carefully, but really, I don't enjoy that at all. All I want is to keep most things non-political, because most things truly aren't political, and then keep the (fairly limited) view to politics as neutral as possible.
I know for a fact that the situation is not the same everywhere, yet; not even close. Do not pass it up as a joke when you see the signs, please.
All of this being said, I'm an eternal optimist so I believe it will get better again, and we will all forget this nightmare.
But there are always bad people around; there are psychopaths and sociopaths, and there will be people who are easy to abuse. The next big thing will be something else again, and I'm hoping there will be a decade or two of peaceful times inbetween, as history has shown.
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james_s:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 30, 2020, 05:00:50 pm ---Exactly the opposite. I miss the times when you could get more than one view of events. When you could actually see and listen to discussions where the opponents had totally different viewpoints, but explained their reasons for the differences, instead of asserting correctness and the evility of their opponent.
I miss the times when reported described things that were happening, instead of presenting opinions about what was actually happening.
I miss Spitting Image and making fun of politicians and celebrities and self-important people. Now, outside of Orange Man Bad and Putin Did It, there is very little to none of it.
Now, I have to be careful when asked "have you listened to blah", because listening to the Other Side makes you a nazi and therefore legitimate target of cancellation or even violence. I like to listen to all sorts of people, not because I trust them, but because there is always a reason, a basis, for their opinions, and understanding those reasons helps one understand how other people see the world. Because of this, I am an Enemy to just about every clique you can think of, unless I keep myself extremely private.
When Political Correctness became mainstream, openness and plain civility died. Intelligence and reason is out, eusocial behaviour in.
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I used to listen to a podcast on NPR called Left, Right and Center. They had regular commentators from all three positions and would discuss politics and current events from the perspective of each and it was always remarkably civil. After the conservative commentator passed away suddenly it was never quite the same, they had a few different people fill in for him and I remember at least one was so rude and combative that it was obvious she missed the entire point of the show. I stopped listening not long after that and don't know if they still do it, things are probably too polarized and emotional now for it to work.
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