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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

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Cerebus:

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--- Quote from: Marco on June 12, 2020, 04:28:00 pm ---Why is master/servant never even considered as an alternative? Minimum change of meaning, minimally invasive. This works in all contexts instead of just a subset like most the other alternatives ... so why not?

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Why do you hate maids so much that their feelings mean nothing to you?

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You little sexist so-and-so, assuming that all servants must be female.   ;)

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I've met hundreds of female domestic servants, but I can't remember ever meeting a male one. So, while male ones may exist, they are outside my lived experience.

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You know I was joking, but surely you've encountered male servants - bell boys, concierge, porter, waiter... You don't have to have posh friends with butlers to have encountered male servants.

pepelevamp:
ultimately i believe these people feel helpless and are desperate for something they think they can do, and desperate for a villain they can force to change. real change is hard, but this is easy.

i have never seen this issue come up online without it also coming with derogatory comments about people who disagree. and scrolling through it, its almost exclusively white people wanting to do this.

personally I don't have screw all against renaming my master git branch to something else, or using a different term for something i already know. i do it all the time. everyone here already does. what is getting my goat is that im suspicious of the motivations of people behind it.

i would feel like a right tool saying to some black mates 'hey look, i did something that benefits you' by renaming my git branch. what a fucken tool. all i can imagine is being told i have my head up my ass & that this is a surrogate for an actual effort towards an actual problem.

wraper:

--- Quote from: wraper on June 12, 2020, 09:10:17 am ---
--- Quote from: trash on June 11, 2020, 10:33:27 am ---And what am I supposed to do with my male and female connectors?
I'm going to have to start using gender neutral or trans DB9 connectors?

Normally I would suggest that somebody says these things as a great prank joke.
But unfortunately there are people out there who take the idea seriously.

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Call them Partner A and Partner B.

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Found a better suggestion on the internet:

--- Quote ---Penetrator/Receptacle?

"Hi I'm after a cable for my TV, Penetrator to Receptacle please"
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cliffyk:
30 years ago I attended a management seminar in which the presenter told us of the effort to replace the supervisory titles "foreman" and "overseer" with terms lees connected to the agricultural old south. For some reason "foreman" survived this silliness, but a new title "supervisor" was introduced to replace "overseer".

Supervisor = "over" "seer"...

Returning to this immediate discussion, and leaving silliness aside, the terms "primary" and "secondary" are quite common in today's technologies--just give it time and "master" and "slave" will go away--just as slavery would have gone away during the industrial revolution; just as tractors replaced work horses...

nuclearcat:
I did such statement on my page, after arguing with some people on subject. Forgive me for my english, its obvious its not my native language :)


--- Quote ---I'm from Slavic ethnic group, because our nations was enslaved during medieval wars - our "ethnicity" name became source of word "slave".
(Please read etymology of world slave)
I am against any attempts to remove word "slave" from technical terminology. In short - they are trying to erase part of our history. IMO majority of Slavs(Slavic countries) will agree.
Our ancestors did not suffer that some techies with their specific perception of "social justice" can just erase each mention of this word, imitating fight with slavery, while slavery exist right here and right now in real world. Their actions will make things only worse.
Word and its history should be a reminder to future generations - that humanity should not repeat the mistakes of the past.
Please solve REAL problems and REAL slavery, don't try to be decorative knights.

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Feel free to use my opinion, if it is handy in debates :)
And my personal opinion is that those who change these words really want to get a reputation as a “hero, fighter for someone rights,” but they don’t want to do anything that help real people, solve real problems of those who feel injustice, for them it is much easier to make a storm in a teacup, calm it down and claim themself as hero of the day.

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