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| Simon:
To be clear, this discussion is academic. The terms are not going away. If the SJW nutjobs complain and I do call them nutjobs and SJW for a reason then this is what i say: First they are Social Justice Warriors, they are warriors because they go round picking fights and worse they pick fights on behalf of people who never asked for the fight to be picked. If they care so much why are they doing their best to erase history by removing words and statues when the problem they are trying to erase is alive and well and worse than ever before. Slavery has not gone away, so why are we trying to wipe it from peoples minds? These people just want a cause to fight for and will go on and on until they are standing on their own in the wilderness of what is left of the world they have inadvertently destroyed still yelling at the tops of their voice unaware that they have nothing left to control. I left the green Party precisely because I was seeing less and less engaging of brains and more and more engaging in token gestures for things that required a far more complex solutions. |
| tggzzz:
People that worry about inanimate objects being referred to as master/slave should consider a very commonplace dehumanisation that is found in most companies. Companies used to have personel departments that dealt with persons. Now companies have human resources departments that deal with things to be bought, depreciated, and discarded. |
| Simon:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 14, 2020, 09:43:36 am ---People that worry about inanimate objects being referred to as master/slave should consider a very commonplace dehumanisation that is found in most companies. Companies used to have personel departments that dealt with persons. Now companies have human resources departments that deal with things to be bought, depreciated, and discarded. --- End quote --- Quite. The one problem i have with my employer is that i am not valued as a person and no one is, the chips are down? right kick the latest employees out, why the latest? because making the useless ones that have festered with the company for years redundant costs more, the fact that the newer ones may be mare usefull is irrelevant. Oh Simon, you bought yourself a nice new piece of equipment, you had the decency to show us it to help us understand what we too should buy so that you can actually do your job effectively, that's lovely, when will you bring your one in so that we don't have to buy one ourselves, yes that's right, we expect underpaid employees to bankroll our multi million pound company. Yes sir, such a pleasure to work for you and be treated like crap and taken for granted, but it's OK we will stop using the word slave to show how much we care....... We live in an age of precarious employment where at the lower end people are just objects and people thing that documenting processes for dumb employees to follow is the key to success instead of employing competent people and letting them do good work and making sure they want to stay. Of all the people furloughed how many had the 20% the government was not paying made up? none! they just took the free cash and said fuck you employee, deal with it. But it's OK we have to worry about the words we use so as to not offend the fragile minded. |
| GeorgeOfTheJungle:
And we keep buying everything in China => it will only get worse. |
| nuclearcat:
--- Quote from: Simon on June 14, 2020, 09:41:22 am ---To be clear, this discussion is academic. The terms are not going away. If the SJW nutjobs complain and I do call them nutjobs and SJW for a reason then this is what i say: First they are Social Justice Warriors, they are warriors because they go round picking fights and worse they pick fights on behalf of people who never asked for the fight to be picked. If they care so much why are they doing their best to erase history by removing words and statues when the problem they are trying to erase is alive and well and worse than ever before. Slavery has not gone away, so why are we trying to wipe it from peoples minds? These people just want a cause to fight for and will go on and on until they are standing on their own in the wilderness of what is left of the world they have inadvertently destroyed still yelling at the tops of their voice unaware that they have nothing left to control. I left the green Party precisely because I was seeing less and less engaging of brains and more and more engaging in token gestures for things that required a far more complex solutions. --- End quote --- I dont think it is right to call them "SJW nutjobs" and put labels. I always hope there are a lot of people who are simply doing mistakes, especially if they are not attacking someone. Although it’s hard for me to understand what motivates a person who has never suffered from racism, decide for those who have suffered from it and change a few words in non-essential parts of the code. What is their desire? Fame? Checkmark "fought for social justice"? Then, well, slaves in the Libyan slave markets sighed freely and say - "now we really feel better, because golang and python dont have less word slave". Oh, sorry, i remember, they can’t be called like that now, is this word now called, "s-word"? or "people who is being exploited for free labor and being sold as property"? For example person who submit changes in golang Filippo Valsorda, i am following him in twitter, https://twitter.com/FiloSottile , quite talented guy, bright mind (probably thats my illusion, taking in consideration this cosmetic changes in golang he did lately). It would be much more useful if one of those programmers who change words did not create a storm in a glass and change few words, but for example collaborate in creation of an application or way to report about their problem for workers from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Ethiopia, etc. - who often come to work in Asia and Middle East as housekeepers, but find themselves locked up in slavery, and unable to communicate and report about their problem. This problem need really good brainstorming and bright minds. |
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