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| tooki:
--- Quote from: TimFox on June 14, 2020, 10:56:00 pm ---Close: the last slave (Sylvester Magee) died almost 50 years ago in 1971. His age at death is controversial, since slaves didn't have proper documentation. --- End quote --- I’m aware of him. But it’s highly unlikely he made it to the age of 130, which is what would be necessary for him to have made it to 1971. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: magic on June 14, 2020, 10:57:08 pm --- --- Quote from: tooki on June 14, 2020, 10:40:07 pm ---Ultimately, though, the important lesson (and one I think a LOT of forum members here need to really take to heart) is that if a minority is telling us they feel oppressed, we need to listen, not dismiss it. We may not agree on how to solve the problem, or whether we have to make a specific change. But it’s callous and arrogant to wholesale dismiss the grievances, as happens here on the forums every single time a progressive social issue is raised. --- End quote --- Pro tip: start with complaining that you feel oppressed by something other than the default name of git branches :P The primary problem of American "progressive social issues" is that whatever reasonable problems might exist, you will never know because they are drowned in a flood of absolute clickbait idiocy. --- End quote --- I largely agree with that sentiment. Nonetheless, my point is that as people unaffected by the issue, it’s not our place to declare such things as irrelevant. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: wraper on June 15, 2020, 12:13:23 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on June 14, 2020, 11:56:51 pm --- --- Quote from: magic on June 14, 2020, 10:57:08 pm ---The primary problem of American "progressive social issues" is that whatever reasonable problems might exist, you will never know because they are drowned in a flood of absolute clickbait idiocy. --- End quote --- Yes, let us remember that the real immediate issue here is a long, clearly documented, history of white American police officers murdering black people with impunity (even being actively protected by the system with a twisted legal interpretation of 'qualified immunity'). --- End quote --- First of all, total number black people killed by police is smaller than white people killed. As of why number of black people killed per population of the race is higher, it's not surprising considering that 12% of people (black population of US) manage to commit a half of all crimes. BTW a black guy has many times higher chance to be killed by other black guy rather than a white guy or a cop. 94% of black people get killed by black people. Why there are no protests about that? https://www.hks.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/centers/wiener/programs/pcj/files/PoliceandPublicDiscourseBlackonBlackViolence.pdf (Attachment Link) --- End quote --- That’s all true. (Edit: apparently not. Exaggerated to make blacks look worse. See reply below.) But it’s also completely oblivious to the systemic racism that produced that situation. It’s absolutely no surprise that so many blacks turn to crime when so many factors have functionally barred them from legitimate income, as well as the social breakdown caused by the incarceration of black men for things that white men would rarely, if ever, be incarcerated for. (It’s well understood that a two parent household is less likely to have delinquent kids than a single parent one, all else held equal.) |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: james_s on June 15, 2020, 02:03:23 am ---I have no idea if those numbers are accurate and being associated with Trump doesn't exactly add credibility, however it would be more helpful to post some more accurate numbers instead of just saying those are wrong. Being an engineer I like numbers, data and facts. I'm not good at processing all of the emotional stuff that's flying around right now. That's not to say that ANY racially motivated police shootings are acceptable but there are certainly situations where deadly force is an appropriate response to a threat. Some people are quick to assume all of these are racially motivated which seems unlikely but I can only speculate. There are tens of thousands of police officers in the US and they spend their shifts dealing with society's worst. While I recognize the need for accountability I'm also dismayed at the anti-police sentiment that has been spreading. There are examples of lawless society in various parts of the world where whoever happens to be strongest at the time is in charge and that is not a society I'd want to live in. I don't want us to throw the baby out with the bathwater and frankly I find it rather frightening that it is so politically dangerous these days to come off as the least bit supportive of law enforcement. --- End quote --- Law enforcement in USA is too rotten to be saved. It needs a total reboot. Whether the police are racially motivated to be harsher to blacks is somewhat of an open question, though there’s plenty of evidence to support it. With that said, even if it’s not, blacks are getting the short end of the stick, statistically speaking. Nobody is saying that there are zero situations where lethal force is justified. But the fact is, it’s not necessary in the vast majority of killings by police. Selling cigarettes, passing counterfeit money, and even assaulting a police officer are not capital offenses. And let’s not forget that the police in USA are not obligated to put themselves in harm’s way to protect the public, thanks to a recent SCOTUS decision. IMHO, this abdication of duty means that they should also forfeit the special privileges police enjoy. (Like being able to use lethal force.) But ultimately, this is all neither here nor there. I just think it’s rather presumptuous for us to declare blacks’ grievances as petty or irrelevant. And let’s also not forget that, frankly, the vast majority of people, regardless of race, sex, etc. have ever encountered the electronics terms master, slave, male, female, etc. But the ones that do, and tell us that the words cause them distress, deserve to at least be listened to. (What I don’t have any respect for are the SJWs arguing on behalf of people who didn’t ask them to do so. On that, I totally agree with the analysis of it being virtue signaling, etc.) |
| GlennSprigg:
Now they're trying/have? banned the kids show, "Paw Patrol", as one of the characters is a POLICE officer, in the group that tries to help people. Some wankers quoting... Every show that makes police seem like a positive force in society is bad & should be cancelled starting with ones for children. :( >:D |O :palm: Not to mention very old movies like "Gone With The Wind" being pulled off-line, because there are so-called 'Racist' scenes, showing a Negro woman as a Maid in the mansion... :palm: :scared: For fucks sake!!! The movie doesn't say "Hey, look at the stupid dumb inferior black person" !! Those scenes are just a side-line in a complex story, and simply depicting how a lot of people used to behave back then. Especially the so-called 'upper-class'. It does not represent support for abuse!! |O |
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