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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

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tooki:

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--- Quote from: magic on June 14, 2020, 10:57:08 pm ---The primary problem of American "progressive social issues" is that whatever reasonable problems might exist, you will never know because they are drowned in a flood of absolute clickbait idiocy.

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Yes, let us remember that the real immediate issue here is a long, clearly documented, history of white American police officers murdering black people with impunity (even being actively protected by the system with a twisted legal interpretation of 'qualified immunity').

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First of all, total number black people killed by police is smaller than white people killed. As of why number of black people killed per population of the race is higher, it's not surprising considering that 12% of people (black population of US) manage to commit a half of all crimes. BTW a black guy has many times higher chance to be killed by other black guy rather than a white guy or a cop. 94% of black people get killed by black people. Why there are no protests about that?


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P.S. There have been.

Also, the fact that blacks are convicted of half of all crimes doesn’t prove they actually committed half, since whites are often given a pass. Or they’re not even checked to begin with. For example, in places where it’s illegal, whites still use marijuana at far higher rates than blacks. Nonetheless, blacks are punished for possession far more often than whites. The conviction numbers are not in any way a valid proxy for actual crime rates.

Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:37:56 am ---I just think it’s rather presumptuous for us to declare blacks’ grievances as petty or irrelevant.
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WE HAVEN'T!

At least in my opinion, and in my admittedly limited understanding (particularly because me fail English often; technical English okay, subtext often missed/unintended).

We are dismissing and ridiculing the suggested "fix" – banning terms, requiring people to admit guilt because they share skin color with some historical people who harmed others –, because it has never ever worked before, it is stupid to repeat past mistakes, and because it is more likely to make things worse than help anyone.

tooki:

--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on June 15, 2020, 11:39:51 am ---Now they're trying/have? banned the kids show, "Paw Patrol", as one of the characters is a
POLICE officer, in the group that tries to help people.  Some wankers quoting...
Every show that makes police seem like a positive force in society is
bad & should be cancelled starting with ones for children.   :( >:D |O :palm:

Not to mention very old movies like "Gone With The Wind" being pulled off-line, because there
are so-called 'Racist' scenes, showing a Negro woman as a Maid in the mansion...  :palm: :scared:
For fucks sake!!!  The movie doesn't say "Hey, look at the stupid dumb inferior black person" !!
Those scenes are just a side-line in a complex story, and simply depicting how a lot of people used
to behave back then. Especially the so-called 'upper-class'. It does not represent support for abuse!!  |O

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Frankly, I think it’s good to stop showing stuff that glorifies police. The police in USA do not deserve our trust, never mind reverence, right now. They need to work HARD to regain it.

As for the other stuff, it’s not as though it’s being banned or censured. Any private company can choose to not show or promote something. I think that right now, a lot of organizations are just pulling those things while they figure out the best way to frame them in the future.

Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:46:12 am ---As for the other stuff, it’s not as though it’s being banned or censured.
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That's patently false.

If that were true, then any individual treating others differently because of their race would not be racist, either, because they're just an individual, not the society in general, and "not suitable as a proxy for the society in general".

tooki:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 11:45:31 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:37:56 am ---I just think it’s rather presumptuous for us to declare blacks’ grievances as petty or irrelevant.
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WE HAVEN'T!

At least in my opinion, and in my admittedly limited understanding (particularly because me fail English often; technical English okay, subtext often missed/unintended).

We are dismissing and ridiculing the suggested "fix" – banning terms, requiring people to admit guilt because they share skin color with some historical people who harmed others –, because it has never ever worked before, it is stupid to repeat past mistakes, and because it is more likely to make things worse than help anyone.

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The tone here has been dismissive literally from the very first reply, where it was likened to “parody”.

And when people have commented about it being dismissive, that too gets dismissed. Classic “it doesn’t bother me, ergo it’s not a real problem” attitude.

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