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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
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tooki:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 11:48:23 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:46:12 am ---As for the other stuff, it’s not as though it’s being banned or censured.
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That's patently false.

If that were true, then any individual treating others differently because of their race would not be racist, eitherg (because they're just an individual, not the society in general, and "not suitable as a proxy for the society in general").  But doing so, demonstrably is.

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Banning and censure mean when the government outlaws things because of their content. That hasn’t happened.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:49:50 am ---The tone here has been dismissive literally from the very first reply, where it was likened to “parody”.
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The "it" referring to the desired correction to the underlying issue, for which it will do no good and probably even more harm.


--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:49:50 am ---Classic “it doesn’t bother me, ergo it’s not a real problem” attitude.
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Do you not see how you are ascribing intent into others actions, when they are literally telling you otherwise?

You are literally telling people that they are not saying what they claim they are saying, because your emotions. This is irrational and utterly unproductive, even worse than ridicule: it only breeds antagonism, and pulls us further for any true conflict resolution.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:51:04 am ---Banning and censure mean when the government outlaws things because of their content. That hasn’t happened.
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And racism is impossible against whites, because of its structural association.

Got it.
tooki:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 11:54:02 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:49:50 am ---The tone here has been dismissive literally from the very first reply, where it was likened to “parody”.
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The "it" referring to the desired correction to the underlying issue, for which it will do no good and probably even more harm.

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One can disagree with a proposed correction without the acerbic disrespect shown in this thread.


--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 11:54:02 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:49:50 am ---Classic “it doesn’t bother me, ergo it’s not a real problem” attitude.
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Do you not see how you are ascribing intent into others actions, when they are literally telling you otherwise?

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The ensuing discussion only reinforces my impression that the people dismissing the proposed correction have little to no understanding of the history and deeper issues of the problem. Someone can tell you something, but it doesn’t mean they really understand it.


--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 11:54:02 am ---You are literally telling people that they are not saying what they claim they are saying, because your emotions. This is irrational and utterly unproductive, even worse than ridicule: it only breeds antagonism, and pulls us further for any true conflict resolution.

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I’m not the one getting emotional here. You were the one yelling in all caps.

I’m saying that their claims are questionable because their actions betray a deep lack of understanding of the issue.


--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 11:54:45 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:51:04 am ---Banning and censure mean when the government outlaws things because of their content. That hasn’t happened.
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And racism is impossible against whites, because of its structural association.

Got it.

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I said no such thing, nor can it be derived from anything I said.
VK3DRB:
JoeN, go get a life. It is master and slave.

What about male and female connectors? Don't you want LBGQI+ connectors? Actually it should be LGBQIEE+ where EE equals electronic engineers. Let's face it, many Electronics Engineers are socially isolated with no friends, no people skills and no sex life.
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