General > General Technical Chat
'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
<< < (65/352) > >>
GlennSprigg:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 12:09:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on June 15, 2020, 12:04:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:51:04 am ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 11:48:23 am ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:46:12 am ---As for the other stuff, it’s not as though it’s being banned or censured.
--- End quote ---
That's patently false.

If that were true, then any individual treating others differently because of their race would not be racist, eitherg (because they're just an individual, not the society in general, and "not suitable as a proxy for the society in general").  But doing so, demonstrably is.

--- End quote ---
Banning and censure mean when the government outlaws things because of their content. That hasn’t happened.

--- End quote ---

That's true, but they are being 'pulled' by many companies, due to fear of reprisal.
Re: Police...
I UNDERSTAND how there is a 'culture' in the U.S. Police force that needs massive re-building. In my
comment about "Paw Patrol", I guess my mind is a bit more considerate towards Aussie Police, as
shootings in general here, let alone by the Police, is so small in numbers that you wouldn't believe.

--- End quote ---
Reprisal by the court of public opinion, which is IMHO perfectly valid. There’s zero risk of them getting into legal hot water, as the US’s free speech protection is robust: the government can’t infringe it.

Yep, someone accustomed to a more reasonable police might not understand the depth of the problem in USA.

--- End quote ---

Yes, I'm not a U.S. resident, but the World sees all the news for years, especially as there is much more body-cam
footage nowdays, and personal filming, and countless vid-clips on the likes of Youtube that we all see. And it's
disgusting, though we are generally much more peaceful here in Australia.  American police stop...
Guns drawn. "Step out with your hands in the air. Walk backwards to me. Do not reach for anything. Now get
face down on the ground!!"  Other gun(s) on any passengers...
Same scenario in Aussie Land...
Police walk up to the driver. No guns drawn... "Bloody hell mate, what the hell were you doing back there!! That
was a bit dangerous. May I see your license please". 
They're not ALL perfect, but no-one (generally) gets 'accidentally' killed!!  :D
tooki:

--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on June 15, 2020, 12:32:08 pm ---Yes, I'm not a U.S. resident, but the World sees all the news for years, especially as there is much more body-cam
footage nowdays, and personal filming, and countless vid-clips on the likes of Youtube that we all see. And it's
disgusting, though we are generally much more peaceful here in Australia.  American police stop...
Guns drawn. "Step out with your hands in the air. Walk backwards to me. Do not reach for anything. Now get
face down on the ground!!"  Other gun(s) on any passengers...
Same scenario in Aussie Land...
Police walk up to the driver. No guns drawn... "Bloody hell mate, what the hell were you doing back there!! That
was a bit dangerous. May I see your license please". 
They're not ALL perfect, but no-one (generally) gets 'accidentally' killed!!  :D

--- End quote ---
Yep. As a white American, I can say that like many (perhaps most?) white Americans, for a long time I dismissed those things as isolated incidents, and that the claims of widespread brutality were simply criminals trying to cover their asses. Until the true omnipresence of cameras (both bystander and cop bodycams) showed that they’re not: all these years, when blacks were complaining about police brutality, they were right.

The insidious thing about the omnipresent cameras is that we all thought “well, now the cops will at least start to behave, since they know we are watching.” Instead, what happened is that while some abuses did go down, cops quickly learned that they will be exonerated of malfeasance even if caught on camera. And this is why it’s come to a head, I think (with Coronavirus enabling lots of people to protest, since they’re out of work anyway). People want (absolutely rightfully, IMHO) for law enforcement to be loyal and accountable to the people, but police in USA have proven that they are loyal only to themselves, even in the worst of circumstances. It’s become a good old boys’ club that has contempt for the public (and even for much of the government), and that is very dangerous.

Going after minorities was just the easiest thing for them to do. I think the reason the protests now are so multiracial is because it’s becoming clear to everyone, including white people, that we are all potential victims of American police.
VK3DRB:
This is getting out of hand and the thread should be locked as it has devolved into something that has nothing to do with electronics.

But my 2 cents worth...

Systemic racism is pervasive throughout the so-called justice system in the Disunited States of America. I have studied with a keen interest for the past 20 years exonerations there and I know the system is badly broken, and it treats the African-Americans particularly poorly. The USA is not a free country and probably never has been. Using the word Black is a regression back to the 1970's and earlier and is racist. Keep going back and you risk reverting back to the good 'ol white Confederate white boys lynching another George Stinney in the backward state of South Carolina.

It is about time the colour of one's skin should have nothing to do with the person. It was when English barbarians started up their slave trade that skin colour was ever mentioned in literature. In fact the ancient Egyptians never mentioned it in their hieroglyphics and neither did the Greeks and Romans. The Bible never mentions skin colour in any of its 66 books. Are we civilised enough to look beyond skin colour?

The only colour we should be interested in is the resistor colour code when working on vintage electronics. Today, few of us professionals use the old axial resistors - we don't need to look at colour.
nuclearcat:

--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on June 15, 2020, 12:32:08 pm ---Yes, I'm not a U.S. resident, but the World sees all the news for years, especially as there is much more body-cam
footage nowdays, and personal filming, and countless vid-clips on the likes of Youtube that we all see. And it's
disgusting, though we are generally much more peaceful here in Australia.  American police stop...
Guns drawn. "Step out with your hands in the air. Walk backwards to me. Do not reach for anything. Now get
face down on the ground!!"  Other gun(s) on any passengers...
Same scenario in Aussie Land...
Police walk up to the driver. No guns drawn... "Bloody hell mate, what the hell were you doing back there!! That
was a bit dangerous. May I see your license please". 
They're not ALL perfect, but no-one (generally) gets 'accidentally' killed!!  :D

--- End quote ---
Major difference is - in US guns are legal and often people carry them, so police expect any civilian might draw the gun and shoot, using legal gun this civilian own, just because he have mental issues today.
And i think this is major reason of police violence. Easy to die, but easy to pull the trigger by mistake as well, as stakes are high from point zero.
madires:
BTW, has anyone asked engineers if they would feel discriminated when not allowed to use long established technical terms like SPI master, SPI slave, email sender blacklist or email sender whitelist anymore? One person's freedom ends where another's begins.
Navigation
Message Index
Next page
Previous page
There was an error while thanking
Thanking...

Go to full version
Powered by SMFPacks Advanced Attachments Uploader Mod