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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
Cerebus:
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--- Quote from: Simon on June 15, 2020, 04:19:29 pm ---I saw on a facebook group a picture. The blurb mentioned the statue of king leopold or whoever it was that is the new historical hate target for slavery. The picture was of an african man sat on the floor staring at the severed hands and feet of hi daughter cut off because he was not producing enough. The picture is ancient and if the man or his daughter are alive I'd be surprised.
Sssssso, I replied that of course the moment the statue comes down the girl would get her hands and feet back. I was viciously attacked and called all sorts of slurs. Only one person was actually interested is talking to me about it. It's not just racists that are nasty sacks of shit, anyone is capable of being a sack of shit to someone when they get themselves emotively disturbed enough.
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:wtf: On what planet do you think that’s a respectful, productive way to engage in a rational debate?!? That’s an incredibly provocative, insensitive comment to make, and you deserved every damned bit of vitriol you reaped.
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No, it's an obviously sarcastic remark and the context of where and when it was used would be the arbiter of whether it was acceptable, in bad taste, or plain downright wrong. Simon may have been making a valid point in valid way or he may have been making a tit of himself. You don't have that context, but you've rushed to judgement.
Fool: "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"
Sage: "But the wise man's answer to a fool"
Only Simon knows if he was the wise man or the fool. (I have my suspicions, but I'm keeping schtum.)
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 04:52:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 04:11:28 pm ---I grew up north of the arctic circle, amidst people like myself who tan really easily. In late January - early February, people are pasty white, or more accurately pink. Then, those spending any significant amount of time in the fells, on years with clear skies and snow pack, get tanned to darker than mediterranean. (Usually hands, neck, and face only; the tan lines can be utterly ridiculous. Like someone who has been dunked in brown ink.) During the summer, from roughly mid-May to late July, the sun doesn't set at all, and if you spend time outside, you also tend to get that sub-mediterranean tan. A month in anyplace sunny, and my own skin color changes from pinky white to milk chocolate or café au lait. A week, and the tan lines take several months to fade out. If you were to ask what skin color my family members have, precisely, my first thought is "what time of year is it right now?".
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--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 04:41:59 pm ---I'm light skinned and very dark haired (before it went grey). As a kid I used to live 200-250 metres from the sea on the south coast of England. Consequently during the summer I lived outdoors and almost permanently in swimming trunks. There's a photo of me in my parent's garden with sun-bleached blonde hair and skin the colour of that of a Sicilian farmer. So yeah, at least for part of my life, the question "what does he look like" would be dependent on the time of year too.
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With that said, I very much doubt your facial features change with sun exposure. Skin color is simply the most visible feature of the black race. And as the very word “racism” implies, that’s what it’s really about. :/
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I don't think either of us think our own seasonably variable skins colours have anything to do with 'race', it's just passing musings on the subject of identity and how we think about it.
In an aside, as someone with a biological background, there is no such thing as 'race' objectively. Just as dogs are all one species and there's no biological features or genetic features that allow one to tell breeds of dogs apart, that a particular dog is a particular breed is a subjective human aesthetic judgement, so too the species "human" and its concomitant breeds. Further fuel for the contention that all racism is ultimately stupid.
coppice:
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 04:40:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on June 15, 2020, 04:19:29 pm ---I saw on a facebook group a picture. The blurb mentioned the statue of king leopold or whoever it was that is the new historical hate target for slavery. The picture was of an african man sat on the floor staring at the severed hands and feet of hi daughter cut off because he was not producing enough. The picture is ancient and if the man or his daughter are alive I'd be surprised.
Sssssso, I replied that of course the moment the statue comes down the girl would get her hands and feet back. I was viciously attacked and called all sorts of slurs. Only one person was actually interested is talking to me about it. It's not just racists that are nasty sacks of shit, anyone is capable of being a sack of shit to someone when they get themselves emotively disturbed enough.
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:wtf: On what planet do you think that’s a respectful, productive way to engage in a rational debate?!? That’s an incredibly provocative, insensitive comment to make, and you deserved every damned bit of vitriol you reaped.
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You seem like a very screwed up person. He was being sarcastic to irrational people. He has no reason to play by their twisted virtue signalling rules, and the responses highlight just how irrational they are. The only reason people want to wipe away history is so they can hasten its repeat.
tooki:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 05:10:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 04:52:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 15, 2020, 04:11:28 pm ---I grew up north of the arctic circle, amidst people like myself who tan really easily. In late January - early February, people are pasty white, or more accurately pink. Then, those spending any significant amount of time in the fells, on years with clear skies and snow pack, get tanned to darker than mediterranean. (Usually hands, neck, and face only; the tan lines can be utterly ridiculous. Like someone who has been dunked in brown ink.) During the summer, from roughly mid-May to late July, the sun doesn't set at all, and if you spend time outside, you also tend to get that sub-mediterranean tan. A month in anyplace sunny, and my own skin color changes from pinky white to milk chocolate or café au lait. A week, and the tan lines take several months to fade out. If you were to ask what skin color my family members have, precisely, my first thought is "what time of year is it right now?".
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--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 04:41:59 pm ---I'm light skinned and very dark haired (before it went grey). As a kid I used to live 200-250 metres from the sea on the south coast of England. Consequently during the summer I lived outdoors and almost permanently in swimming trunks. There's a photo of me in my parent's garden with sun-bleached blonde hair and skin the colour of that of a Sicilian farmer. So yeah, at least for part of my life, the question "what does he look like" would be dependent on the time of year too.
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With that said, I very much doubt your facial features change with sun exposure. Skin color is simply the most visible feature of the black race. And as the very word “racism” implies, that’s what it’s really about. :/
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I don't think either of us think our own seasonably variable skins colours have anything to do with 'race', it's just passing musings on the subject of identity and how we think about it.
In an aside, as someone with a biological background, there is no such thing as 'race' objectively. Just as dogs are all one species and there's no biological features or genetic features that allow one to tell breeds of dogs apart, that a particular dog is a particular breed is a subjective human aesthetic judgement, so too the species "human" and its concomitant breeds. Further fuel for the contention that all racism is ultimately stupid.
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Oh, I know. But it’s the problem nonetheless. I’ve never understood why people care about race, since I wasn’t raised that way.
tooki:
--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 05:15:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 04:40:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on June 15, 2020, 04:19:29 pm ---I saw on a facebook group a picture. The blurb mentioned the statue of king leopold or whoever it was that is the new historical hate target for slavery. The picture was of an african man sat on the floor staring at the severed hands and feet of hi daughter cut off because he was not producing enough. The picture is ancient and if the man or his daughter are alive I'd be surprised.
Sssssso, I replied that of course the moment the statue comes down the girl would get her hands and feet back. I was viciously attacked and called all sorts of slurs. Only one person was actually interested is talking to me about it. It's not just racists that are nasty sacks of shit, anyone is capable of being a sack of shit to someone when they get themselves emotively disturbed enough.
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:wtf: On what planet do you think that’s a respectful, productive way to engage in a rational debate?!? That’s an incredibly provocative, insensitive comment to make, and you deserved every damned bit of vitriol you reaped.
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You seem like a very screwed up person. He was being sarcastic to irrational people. He has no reason to play by their twisted virtue signalling rules, and the responses highlight just how irrational they are. The only reason people want to wipe away history is so they can hasten its repeat.
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Oh that’s rich. I’m screwed up for not thinking a shockingly rude comment was rude and insensitive? :-DD There’s sarcasm and then there’s just plain jackassery. And wanting statues of horrible people taken down is hardly “irrational” or virtue signaling.
What is twisted is calling “screwed up” somebody who is literally saying we need to have more respect for our fellow humans. You are literally proving my point about how insensitive and arrogant this forum is.
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