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vodka:

By the equidistant

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

The source of the snapshot are Bureau of Justice Statistic https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6686
Simon:

--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 05:15:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 04:40:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on June 15, 2020, 04:19:29 pm ---I saw on a facebook group a picture. The blurb mentioned the statue of king leopold or whoever it was that is the new historical hate target for slavery. The picture was of an african man sat on the floor staring at the severed hands and feet of hi daughter cut off because he was not producing enough. The picture is ancient and if the man or his daughter are alive I'd be surprised.

Sssssso, I replied that of course the moment the statue comes down the girl would get her hands and feet back. I was viciously attacked and called all sorts of slurs. Only one person was actually interested is talking to me about it. It's not just racists that are nasty sacks of shit, anyone is capable of being a sack of shit to someone when they get themselves emotively disturbed enough.

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:wtf: On what planet do you think that’s a respectful, productive way to engage in a rational debate?!? That’s an incredibly provocative, insensitive comment to make, and you deserved every damned bit of vitriol you reaped.

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You seem like a very screwed up person. He was being sarcastic to irrational people. He has no reason to play by their twisted virtue signalling rules, and the responses highlight just how irrational they are. The only reason people want to wipe away history is so they can hasten its repeat.


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it's about the overall comprehension that people have. People want simple answers to complex questions and they want the questions to be simple. So the simpletons view is that there is racism, why is there racism, because there are black people in my country, why are there black people in my country? slaves, so if we had not made them slaves there would not be racism, right lets tear history up or in their simple minds try to fix it, try to show how autraged we are, i am still waiting for these simpletons to actually suggest how we address racism, but they are too concerned with a past that cannot be changed.

The first comment I got was that I was an unsympathetic tory (right wing supporter - conservative party). I really do not know what being a tory has to do with my views - not that i am a tory. From one comment I was profiled, judged and condemned, that is the exact process that is racism, you see something different, you feel uncomfortable, you profile them by what you see on the surface without knowing them, you issue a judgement and condemn them.

If you took a SJW and a racist and put them together they would still not have a brain cell between them to rub together.

Once the one clever commented that actually wanted to understand my comment spoke up and i replied to him, it went rather quiet as several people were trying to work out how to take their feet out of their mouths.
coppice:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 05:56:11 pm ---Oh that’s rich. I’m screwed up for not thinking a shockingly rude comment was rude and insensitive?  :-DD There’s sarcasm and then there’s just plain jackassery. And wanting statues of horrible people taken down is hardly “irrational” or virtue signaling.

What is twisted is calling “screwed up” somebody who is literally saying we need to have more respect for our fellow humans. You are literally proving my point about how insensitive and arrogant this forum is.

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People need constant reminding of how badly things go wrong when society lets its guard down. In the UK the residents of Bristol seem happy at the moment that a statue of slave trader Edward Colson has just been pulled down, and streets and schools named after him are being renamed. They want this because they want to santize their city, and pretend they have a squeaky clean history. Its a terrible idea. 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a game plan.
tooki:
Not glorifying/celebrating ≠ sanitizing.

The German language has a lovely distinction between a good memorial (a “Denkmal”) and a warning memorial (a “Mahnmal”).

I think it’s eminently sensible to remove memorials celebrating awful people. I think it’s very important to put up memorials reminding us of the bad so it doesn’t happen again. These aren’t contradictory desires because they’re not the same kind of memorial.
tooki:

--- Quote from: Simon on June 15, 2020, 06:02:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 05:15:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 04:40:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on June 15, 2020, 04:19:29 pm ---I saw on a facebook group a picture. The blurb mentioned the statue of king leopold or whoever it was that is the new historical hate target for slavery. The picture was of an african man sat on the floor staring at the severed hands and feet of hi daughter cut off because he was not producing enough. The picture is ancient and if the man or his daughter are alive I'd be surprised.

Sssssso, I replied that of course the moment the statue comes down the girl would get her hands and feet back. I was viciously attacked and called all sorts of slurs. Only one person was actually interested is talking to me about it. It's not just racists that are nasty sacks of shit, anyone is capable of being a sack of shit to someone when they get themselves emotively disturbed enough.

--- End quote ---
:wtf: On what planet do you think that’s a respectful, productive way to engage in a rational debate?!? That’s an incredibly provocative, insensitive comment to make, and you deserved every damned bit of vitriol you reaped.

--- End quote ---
You seem like a very screwed up person. He was being sarcastic to irrational people. He has no reason to play by their twisted virtue signalling rules, and the responses highlight just how irrational they are. The only reason people want to wipe away history is so they can hasten its repeat.


--- End quote ---

it's about the overall comprehension that people have. People want simple answers to complex questions and they want the questions to be simple. So the simpletons view is that there is racism, why is there racism, because there are black people in my country, why are there black people in my country? slaves, so if we had not made them slaves there would not be racism, right lets tear history up or in their simple minds try to fix it, try to show how autraged we are, i am still waiting for these simpletons to actually suggest how we address racism, but they are too concerned with a past that cannot be changed.

The first comment I got was that I was an unsympathetic tory (right wing supporter - conservative party). I really do not know what being a tory has to do with my views - not that i am a tory. From one comment I was profiled, judged and condemned, that is the exact process that is racism, you see something different, you feel uncomfortable, you profile them by what you see on the surface without knowing them, you issue a judgement and condemn them.

If you took a SJW and a racist and put them together they would still not have a brain cell between them to rub together.

Once the one clever commented that actually wanted to understand my comment spoke up and i replied to him, it went rather quiet as several people were trying to work out how to take their feet out of their mouths.

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The thing is, if you want to elicit a good discussion, you won’t accomplish that with the approach you take. (Here on the forums, you consistently lack tact and empathy.) If you want to have a productive conversation with someone, you have to begin by trying to understand their position. Not by making fun of it.
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