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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
coppice:
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 06:08:17 pm ---Not glorifying/celebrating ≠ sanitizing.
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That's one of the excuses they use in 1984. Its sad they so many people right now are happy to side with the bad side in 1984.
Simon:
the statues are irrelevant, take a poll of who the statue is of and i bet virtually no one will be able to tell you the name without looking, then ask them what the person did and even few will know. On the other hand racism is a thing, it is another form of bullying, it just got an "-ism" because it can be identified to be of a particular section of the population.
I repeat, i am still waiting for the SJW that are tearing down statues to come up with a solution to racism, Oh yea, they want some one statues of people that fought the slave trade and their names will mean nothing to people either, but hey, they fixed racism by changing a statue!
I seriously wish their were aliens, and it would be wonderful to be taken and get away from all the shit for brains that this planet harbors.
It's not that difficult, just be nice to each other!!! Fuck sake, it's even in the bible and the rest of the "virtuous books" it's not even a new concept!
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 06:02:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 05:56:11 pm ---Oh that’s rich. I’m screwed up for not thinking a shockingly rude comment was rude and insensitive? :-DD There’s sarcasm and then there’s just plain jackassery. And wanting statues of horrible people taken down is hardly “irrational” or virtue signaling.
What is twisted is calling “screwed up” somebody who is literally saying we need to have more respect for our fellow humans. You are literally proving my point about how insensitive and arrogant this forum is.
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People need constant reminding of how badly things go wrong when society lets its guard down. In the UK the residents of Bristol seem happy at the moment that a statue of slave trader Edward Colson has just been pulled down, and streets and schools named after him are being renamed. They want this because they want to santize their city, and pretend they have a squeaky clean history. Its a terrible idea. 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a game plan.
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Statues and street names are intended to celebrate people, that's what the objection is to. Should Germany re-erect statues of Hitler because removing them was 'sanitization' (done by the Allies during the "denazification" of Germany)?
I rather liked Banksy's suggestion, put the statute back up, then erect more statues showing people pulling the re-erected statue down. That would be apposite, no erasing of history but rather a statement of "Look we used to celebrate this fellow but then we didn't and here's the reminder of all of it".
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 06:12:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 06:08:17 pm ---Not glorifying/celebrating ≠ sanitizing.
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That's one of the excuses they use in 1984. Its sad they so many people right now are happy to side with the bad side in 1984.
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Direct quote from '1984' to prove your assertion please, or I'll assert that is double-plus not a quote from Orwell.
dave j:
--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 06:02:38 pm ---People need constant reminding of how badly things go wrong when society lets its guard down. In the UK the residents of Bristol seem happy at the moment that a statue of slave trader Edward Colson has just been pulled down, and streets and schools named after him are being renamed. They want this because they want to santize their city, and pretend they have a squeaky clean history. Its a terrible idea. 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a game plan.
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The text on the Colston statue's plaque reads "ERECTED BY CITIZENS OF BRISTOL AS A MEMORIAL OF ONE OF THE MOST VIRTUOUS AND WISE SONS OF THEIR CITY. A.D.1895". Slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire in 1833, so the people who erected it in 1895 knew full well that slavery was wrong. The real sanitizing of Bristol's history was in full swing in 1895.
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