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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

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Zero999:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on June 15, 2020, 10:35:15 pm ---
--- Quote ---they failed to prevent people breaking the law, smashing things up
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mindless vandalism as boris,ex bullingdon club member,put it

--- Quote --- they didn't to deal with paedophile gangs
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just like they didnt investigate,hushed up  or  lost the paper work when very prominent white upper class figures were accused.

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Then there was Operation Midland, when the police believed that paedophile Carl Beech, ruining numbers lives. :palm:


--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 05:10:14 pm ---In an aside, as someone with a biological background, there is no such thing as 'race' objectively. Just as dogs are all one species and there's no biological features or genetic features that allow one to tell breeds of dogs apart, that a particular dog is a particular breed is a subjective human aesthetic judgement, so too the species "human" and its concomitant breeds. Further fuel for the contention that all racism is ultimately stupid.

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Race/genetics is mostly bullshit anyway, especially when dealing with people of African origin.

Skin colour is a very small part of the genetic differences between human populations. It depends on sun exposure and vitamin D intake. There are plenty of other adaptations, such as the ability to live at high altitudes and disease resistance.

Africa, being the cradle of humanity has a huge diversity in the genome of humans who live there, much more so than the rest of the world and they're not even the same colour, with those living in the north being a much lighter shade of brown, than the almost jet back of the populations in arid regions, near the equator. Someone from Pakistan is probably genetically more similar to me, a white English man, compared to people from the Ivory Cost vs Zambia.

tooki:

--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 08:50:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 08:22:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 08:05:05 pm ---The people?

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Yes, as in, not the government.

--- Quote from: coppice on June 15, 2020, 08:05:05 pm ---Just how many people? What percentage of the population are these people?

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Enough people.

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Damned authoritarians always love to claim you have enough support to justify your actions, absent of any solid supporting evidence. Even the largest mob in the street is a small part of the population.

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 08:22:39 pm ---I was responding to your claim that it was like in 1984 where the Party kept doing things to subjugate the people. In that book, the government clearly is not of, for, or by the people.

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You are the type of person Orwell was criticising in 1984, and you don't even seem to recognise it.

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Authoritarian? Me? You clearly don’t know me even one bit.  :-DD Did you miss the whole thing about me wanting to dismantle the police? I am someone who has extraordinarily little respect for “authority”, in the sense of deference. I am law abiding, but have mostly contempt for authority. It’s why I suck at office politics and other situations where sucking up is expected.

I think maybe you’re not understanding what authoritarianism is, since you’re also confusing what 1984 was about. At no point have I suggested that the government force people to do anything.

If the people choose to do something because they feel it’s right, and I describe that situation, how is that authoritarian?  :-DD

tooki:

--- Quote from: SkyMaster on June 15, 2020, 09:21:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 07:59:40 pm ---.... Leave the police for the real criminals.)

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Please define what a real criminal is.

Is a person physically fighting against his arrest and trying to get the police officer weapon, a real criminal yet? How many seconds the police officer has to decide if the person is a real criminal?

If laws obedient citizens obey to the police, are all the other persons real criminals?


I am asking for a friend.

 :)

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We don’t need police arresting people for jaywalking, selling individual cigarettes, etc. We don’t need police intervening with the mentally ill, who need mental health specialists, not cops. This is all pretty basic stuff...

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: magic on June 15, 2020, 09:49:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: nuclearcat on June 15, 2020, 02:19:04 pm ---As far as i see these "renames" are mainly pushed by those who are descendants of "enslavers nations".
Genius idea, if there is no word, then memory of this events will fade, everyone forgets their ancestors crimes and precise definition, so their dark and unpleasant pages of history are forgotten.
It seems mainly not those who suffered from slavery feel pain, but descendants of those, who commit this crime want to bleach their history.

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Trust me, they aren't rational enough to even think about it that way.
But it could be a useful angle to piss 'em off nevertheless >:D


--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 05:10:14 pm ---dogs are all one species and there's no biological features or genetic features that allow one to tell breeds of dogs apart, that a particular dog is a particular breed is a subjective human aesthetic judgement

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Except for size, strength, character, and all the morphological differences which create the aforementioned aesthetic judgement :palm:
And guess what, all of that is down to genetics unless you believe that dogs have souls which even many religions don't believe.
How can you even post such a thing?

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Because it's true - ask any biologist. If they are not one species how come you can interbreed two different breeds of dog and what you get out is .... a dog and no matter how often you breed down that line you keep getting dogs. That is not true for different species. Cross an elephant with a giraffe and you get ... nothing. Even if you use one of the rare species that can interbreed, for example a horse and a donkey you don't get a horse or a donkey, you get a mule or a hinny, which is almost always sterile and cannot breed further. Being able to interbreed and breed true is the classic definition of what makes a species a species (the modern definition of species is slightly more complex and nuanced). Don't facepalm people when you're talking about something that you clearly know nothing about.

tooki:
Species ≠ race

Nobody is disputing that all dogs are one species, and that all humans are one species.

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