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SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:36:50 pm ---Species ≠ race

Nobody is disputing that all dogs are one species, and that all humans are one species.

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Yes.

And, I didn't really follow this, but there seems to be some misunderstandings, or at least incomplete knowledge.
Although the usual classification as species defines one as being able to breed, and the frontier between species the unability of interbreeding, this is not completely as clear cut as this.
Some different species can indeed interbreed - this is called hybridisation. We still have examples of that on Earth. Usually between species that are "close enough" that reproduction will work, and will yield individuals that are fully functional. Often, hybrids are indeed sterile, but I don't think it's a general fact. Some hybrids have been known to be able to breed. We are an example of that, as the human species as it is now is now largely thought as being the result of several hybridisations in our past history.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on June 15, 2020, 10:22:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 05:10:14 pm ---Just as dogs are all one species and there's no biological features or genetic features that allow one to tell breeds of dogs apart

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Uhm, so you're suggesting two St. Bernards could just pop out a Chihuahua randomly? Because they won't, and you can tell the difference from their DNA..

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No, I never said that. They will produce another dog, as will a St Bernard and a Chihuahua and so on. Go and check out what constitutes a species in biology.

As to DNA, FFS you can tell individual dogs apart from DNA; of course you can perform some sort of genetics that might differentiate breeds on what set of what alleles of genes they have, but you'll always find alleles of dog genes, not genes that only appear in lizards or bacteria. The gene that says say hair=long or hair=short  is common to all dogs, so a St Bernard and a Setter will both have the same gene for hair length (long), ditto a doberman and a dalmatian (short). Having DNA that roughly breeds conservatively is a feature of all species - if you have two blue eyed parents you will have blue eyes (if you haven't you're a bastard, were adopted or have a very rare genetic mutation, blue eyes is a recessive trait). That inbred dogs, like inbred villagers all look similar should not be a surprise, neither should the tendency of both groups to suffer genetically linked health problems (Haemophilia in 18th C. German Royals, hip dysplasia in German Shepherds).

It never cease to amaze me how people will sideline a conversation about one thing (race is not a real biological phenomenon, it is a social invention, humans are one species) by picking at an example (dogs are all one species too).

Monkeh:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 16, 2020, 12:10:50 am ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on June 15, 2020, 10:22:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 05:10:14 pm ---Just as dogs are all one species and there's no biological features or genetic features that allow one to tell breeds of dogs apart

--- End quote ---

Uhm, so you're suggesting two St. Bernards could just pop out a Chihuahua randomly? Because they won't, and you can tell the difference from their DNA..

--- End quote ---

No, I never said that. They will produce another dog, as will a St Bernard and a Chihuahua and so on. Go and check out what constitutes a species in biology.
--- End quote ---

And I never said they weren't the same species. Clearly, you have a particular definition of 'genetic features', perhaps you should be more careful with your terminology, because what you said amounts, to the layperson, to "there is nothing in the genetic makeup of a dog to identify its breed".

Sidelining over, better thought out examples please.

SkyMaster:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 15, 2020, 11:30:01 pm ---We don’t need police arresting people for jaywalking, selling individual cigarettes, etc. We don’t need police intervening with the mentally ill, who need mental health specialists, not cops. This is all pretty basic stuff...

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It is pretty basic stuff for arm chair police officer.

 :)

DimitriP:

--- Quote --- At no point have I suggested that the government force people to do anything.

If the people choose to do something because they feel it’s right, and I describe that situation, how is that authoritarian?
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When "the pople" feel something "is right" just around the corner from an election, it will be very hard to convince anyone there isn't a "certain force" pushing them on the streets and fueling the fire. In some cases litteraly.

You are right though in this present situation, it's not the current government that is forcing them to do anything.
It's the hopeful next government pulling the strings. Now. Not last year, not the year before , not during the previous presidency but now. 

Almost as if by miracle the outrage of "the people" was kept in a jar or a Genie bottle to be unleashed at the most usefull moment in time. 

Is it time for this thread to be sent to a mental hospital yet?












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