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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

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magic:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 11:34:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: magic on June 15, 2020, 09:49:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 15, 2020, 05:10:14 pm ---dogs are all one species and there's no biological features or genetic features that allow one to tell breeds of dogs apart, that a particular dog is a particular breed is a subjective human aesthetic judgement

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Except for size, strength, character, and all the morphological differences which create the aforementioned aesthetic judgement :palm:
And guess what, all of that is down to genetics unless you believe that dogs have souls which even many religions don't believe.
How can you even post such a thing?

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Because it's true - ask any biologist. If they are not one species how come you can interbreed two different breeds of dog and what you get out is .... a dog and no matter how often you breed down that line you keep getting dogs. [...] Don't facepalm people when you're talking about something that you clearly know nothing about.

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If all that matters to you is sex :P then yes, there are indeed no features that would allow you to tell dog breeds apart
But your statement as you wrote it is nonsense and no biologist would have difficulties telling dog breeds apart by features other than reproductive compatibility. Or even aesthetics.


--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 16, 2020, 12:10:50 am ---It never cease to amaze me how people will sideline a conversation about one thing
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You did by introducing a non-sequitur and insulting those who pointed it out.


--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 16, 2020, 12:10:50 am ---(race is not a real biological phenomenon, it is a social invention, humans are one species) (dogs are all one species too).

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Nobody cares if dogs or humans are one species, maybe you. And the fact that they are has nothing to do with races/breeds/subspecies which are all by definition classifications of discernible subpopulations within one species. Maybe go inform the biologists that they are wasting their time even thinking about such things and should better twiddle their thumbs until the populations diverge enough to become incompatible because the subject of their studies isn't a real natural phenomenon otherwise.

I also don't think anyone would have trouble telling human races apart based on biological features. If you think about it, the whole idea of race wouldn't even exist otherwise and we wouldn't be having a thread about racism here.

<total troll mode on>
Maybe nuclearcat is right and you are just pretending that race isn't real to obscure the reality that white people like you are racist ;)

tom66:
Someone pointed out something to me the other day.

If you compare the career and educational attainments of Irish Travellers to that of the general population, you'll find they are similarly behind in performance to the general BAME groups in the UK.  However, Irish Travellers are white.  There is no way to tell that someone is of such a background by just looking at their skin colour.  So you cannot be racist to these people without having strong knowledge of their background; and it would be nearly impossible to be "unconsciously racist".

So do these people suffer institutional racism?  Or are we looking at a problem more ingrained in society and community; these people don't have the best start in life, and it reduces their educational and career attainments?

And, more importantly, how do we fix this?  Society universally benefits when more people are on equal footing.

bd139:
It's a good point. Some cultural ideologies and behaviours are simply self-destructive and not attached to race.

So we tried taking that one on with the whole drugs thing...

Human species is beyond help.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: magic on June 16, 2020, 07:49:29 am ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 16, 2020, 12:10:50 am ---(race is not a real biological phenomenon, it is a social invention, humans are one species) (dogs are all one species too).

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Nobody cares if dogs or humans are one species, maybe you. And the fact that they are has nothing to do with races/breeds/subspecies which are all by definition classifications of discernible subpopulations within one species. Maybe go inform the biologists that they are wasting their time even thinking about such things and should better twiddle their thumbs until the populations diverge enough to become incompatible because the subject of their studies isn't a real natural phenomenon otherwise.

I also don't think anyone would have trouble telling human races apart based on biological features. If you think about it, the whole idea of race wouldn't even exist otherwise and we wouldn't be having a thread about racism here.

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Remarkably, every single statement there is wrong - there are strong counter-examples to every statement. Quite an achievement!

paulca:
If you think this is bad for electronics.  All us software devs are going to hell.

This is not even a slightly contrived bit of code.

--- Code: ---void terminateDisabledChildren( Element element ) {
  while( element.getChildren().hasNext() ) {
     Element child = element.getChildren().next();
     if( child.isDisabled() ) {
       element.getChildren().remove(child);
       child.terminate();
       child = null;
     }
}

--- End code ---

Primary and secondary doesn't describe the roles each component actually plays in master/slave.

Authoritative and obedient ... maybe?  Even that has issues on both sides of the argument.

Enforcer and obeyer?

Demander and demanded?

Tell you what.  Lets go on strike and see how long these virtue signalling, SJW, woke fuck wits take to come crawling when they can no longer spew bullshit or project their own racism on the rest of us on social media.

"I'm sorry, but due to the popularist opinion that all software patterns and terms which reflect inequality even in inanimate objects should be removed, we are shutting down all software service until the extensive refactor can be carried out."

... PS... please remove the Master (or Slave) cylinders from your car and find a large hill.

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