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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

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madires:
Are there any non-white forum members who would like to tell us what they think about this mess?

tggzzz:
You'll be able to find any opinion you want, of course. You have to be particularly careful of those that will use any claim to avoid personal responsibilty for something, or to gain a pecuniary advantage, or just as flack.

Here's a 28s pithy take on it; fictional but as valid as any PoV that can be tainted as above

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: paulca on June 16, 2020, 10:28:52 am ---If you think this is bad for electronics.  All us software devs are going to hell.

This is not even a slightly contrived bit of code.

--- Code: ---void terminateDisabledChildren( Element element ) {
  while( element.getChildren().hasNext() ) {
     Element child = element.getChildren().next();
     if( child.isDisabled() ) {
       element.getChildren().remove(child);
       child.terminate();
       child = null;
     }
}

--- End code ---

Primary and secondary doesn't describe the roles each component actually plays in master/slave.

Authoritative and obedient ... maybe?  Even that has issues on both sides of the argument.

Enforcer and obeyer?

Demander and demanded?

Tell you what.  Lets go on strike and see how long these virtue signalling, SJW, woke fuck wits take to come crawling when they can no longer spew bullshit or project their own racism on the rest of us on social media.

"I'm sorry, but due to the popularist opinion that all software patterns and terms which reflect inequality even in inanimate objects should be removed, we are shutting down all software service until the extensive refactor can be carried out."

... PS... please remove the Master (or Slave) cylinders from your car and find a large hill.

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Paul I think you should consider removing your message. You're not wrong, it's just that some nutjob is going to see it and before you know it all us poor code-monkeys are going to be spending the next three decades with grep and sed sanitizing code bases wholesale.

This is how secret societies get started, you want to talk about something, you realise that discussing it publicly is going to make a lightning rod out of you, you go private and before you know it you have a secret handshake, shibboleth phrases as passwords, you start rolling your trouser legs up and someone starts calling themselves the great high poo-bar.

All  ;), for the more literal minded among you.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: tom66 on June 16, 2020, 12:18:06 pm ---I am unable to tell if @magic is being satirical here or not, when talking about toxic masculinity and code.

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Satirical? Probably not. Check his postings in general and you'll find he often enjoys stirring the shit.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: tooki on June 16, 2020, 12:42:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on June 16, 2020, 10:52:50 am ---I'd like to see social media peeps complain about slavery when they use an Apple iPhone, whose supply chain almost certainly involves some form of modern slavery, given China's treatment of the Uyghur Muslims.

I think modern day slavery is more important than something that happened 100 years ago and therefore the terms master/slave, are just so inconsequential it makes me wonder whether people's priorities are centred on improving the real world or just feeling good about making a change.

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At least Apple makes a sincere, concerted effort to eliminate any kind of slavery (as well as child labor and various other abuses, plus environmental friendliness) from its supply chain, which is more than can be said for the vast majority of companies.

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There's been evidence that they are not yet fully successful, but yes they do seen to have been making a genuine effort to do the right thing. Do you know who isn't? A lot of US corporations including McDonalds, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics and many others all use prison labour which, being paid a princely 23 cents an hour isn't strictly technically slavery but once you examine all the other conditions of it, and the coercion applied to make people take these 'jobs' it is slavery in all but name. When you further consider the massive racial imbalances in the prison population then it takes on a whole new colour (pun intended). Anyone who has any doubt about the veracity of this, google "modern slavery US prisons".

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