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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

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TimFox:
The 13th Amendment to the US Constitution was the abolition of slavery in the US, but there is a loophole:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
A good example of straightforward legal drafting, much better than the sloppy syntax in the 2nd Amendment.

wraper:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on June 16, 2020, 02:28:21 pm ---A lot of US corporations including McDonalds, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics and many others all use prison labour which, being paid a princely 23 cents an hour isn't strictly technically slavery but once you examine all the other conditions of it, and the coercion applied to make people take these 'jobs' it is slavery in all but name. When you further consider the massive racial imbalances in the prison population then it takes on a whole new colour (pun intended). Anyone who has any doubt about the veracity of this, google "modern slavery US prisons".

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|O :palm: It's a very good thing that prisoners get to work. First of all they need to pay for their imprisonment, not sit on taxpayer shoulders. Secondly, it's much better for prisoners themselves. It's easier to spend the time while working, rather than sitting in the cell all day, time passes faster. And on top of that prisoners learn how to work, and get rid of antisocial behavior by doing so.
You don't need to look far away to see what happens when people don't work. Shitheads sat on their ass doing nothing for a few months due to Covid, now they riot, loot, and destroy property of others due to their frustration.

tom66:
Prison labourers earn <$2/hour, which means they compete against non-felon employees.   They also incentivise the state to keep prisoners in the cycle, and the private prisons get a kickback.  This creates all the wrong incentives.

Prisoners should be able to work in prison, but they should either be paid the normal minimum wage or the work should be strictly voluntary (i.e. laundry duty, library services within the prison.)

wraper:

--- Quote from: tom66 on June 16, 2020, 03:59:19 pm ---Prisoners should be able to work in prison, but they should either be paid the normal minimum wage

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:palm: Who in the hell will want such troublesome workforce causing additional expenses and other issues for a normal minimum wage?

--- Quote --- or the work should be strictly voluntary (i.e. laundry duty, library services within the prison.)
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No it shouldn't. If you committed a crime, deal with it. Prisons are correctional facilities, not leisure parks.

SiliconWizard:
Prisoners working is probably a good thing indeed, but largely underpaying the work is probably not.
If anyone thinks that actually "pays" for what they cost, just do the maths. It absolutely doesn't AFAIK. You may say it's better than nothing, but, and I'm no prison specialist whatsoever, I think working prisoners actually get paid some "pocket money" when they work (so they can actually buy extra stuff in prison, otherwise they just get the bare minimum?), so this money doesn't even help paying their imprisonment, or if it does, it's probably negligible.

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