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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
vodka:
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--- Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on June 17, 2020, 12:17:58 pm ---I'm completely against the antifas and the BLM movement, but in the USA you've got a problem with the police guys:
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That stupid guy got what he deserved. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you want to live, you don't punch a police officer in the face, steal taser and then shoot with it at police officer. :palm: BTW he was a felon on parole, not some innocent guy.
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Are we really saying a guy fleeing deserves to be shot?
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Yes, and this is my justification .
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The young woman who tried to kill a "mosso" in Tarragona, jailed for six months
The Tarragona guard court has agreed to internment in a closed regime for 6 months for the 17-year-old girl who on Tuesday afternoon took the weapon of a "mosso" after a frustrated robbery at a bookstore on Gasòmetre street and tried to shoot her.
Before the incident, the young woman spat the agent in the face, rushed forward and assaulted him with blows and kicks. When the agent was reducing it, the girl took the pistol from the holster by surprise and pulled the trigger a couple of times while uttering death threats. The weapon, however, had the safety mechanism activated and no one was injured.
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On resume, the classic juvenile criminal with a endless dossier, she robbed material by value 100 € .That is "minor crime"(when there isn't violence) because is below of 400€ and therefore you don't go to prision. Only she should pays a fine or comunity jobs. I think that she would not pay because she is insolvent neither works for comunnity because she would be missing.
Now,which the sense to kill polices when the spanish laws protect more to criminal than the victims.
Now, we put the case that the officer is murderd. The criminal is minor therefore would be judge by the child law, adding the other crimes . The conviction would be 6 years in child correctional.
DimitriP:
--- Quote from: tom66 on June 17, 2020, 11:45:04 am ---
--- Quote from: DimitriP on June 16, 2020, 11:14:53 pm ---If you haven't wittnessed the lady at the market paying for groceris with an EBT (aka food stamps), the booze with cash , while talking on the late model i-phone and putting the groceries in a late model shiny Mercedes its hard to explain.
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I don't know anyone in this country who is on benefits/state aid and actually lives anything more than a basic lifestyle.
I never got this argument, usually from the political right, because sure, there are probably scroungers out there. But if you say that person sucks $1,000/mo in state assistance, why do they not get equally pissed off at Amazon dodging billions in tax, or Walmart barely paying above the min. wage so their employees have to seek state aid to pay the bills and live a half way decent life.
The usual argument is, these corporations are "smart", they are entitled to do whatever they can to profit. Even the POTUS has said that he is "very smart" for organising his tax affairs in such a way [1]. Yet it is not "very smart" of the woman at the grocery store to take advantage of the aid available to her? Why is there a different standard here? It is either OK to leech from the state or not. I would say it is worse when billionaires and mega-corps do it.
[1] Youtube: "Trump: I'm 'smart' for paying no taxes", CNN, 26 Sep 2016.
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There are two ways this works.
Very little oney can get you finacial support, usually using other people's money (it has to come from somewhere, yes?)
Lots of money. That's where the fun begins. You can spend a lot on accountants and buy lots of financial wizardry , which in the end costs saves you lots of tax dollars. usually there is still an excess...so you make donations and you get labeled a philanthropist . A win win from a certain point of view.
As far as the UK goes regarding assistance...
I may have heard that unlike the US, its more expensive to be married than single.
And you get more money by being a single mom on paper even when living with the kids dad .
There is problem there somewhere. From over here it seems to be more of a class division large rich families grow to become even larger rich families and individual "commoners" and their kids stay exactly that...
james_s:
--- Quote from: Fred Basset on June 17, 2020, 03:14:58 pm ---Master and slave might seem ugly words now, but they do clearly give an idea of what each board or circuit is doing. Primary and secondary seem good, but it could just be referring to the sequence in which they process a signal - Not making clear one controls the other's response. The problem is that I cannot think of any answers either. The best I came up with was Mother and Daughter as in computers Motherboards and
Daughterboards. Clearly that would be unacceptable also, so my best answer is now "Base" and "Module". Does anyone find any merit in those descriptors?
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I just don't get it. They don't seem like ugly words to me. I mean they are ugly words when used to describe a relationship between humans but that's not anything to do with their use in engineering. Does this boil down to a fundamental (wilful?) inability to understand context? People seem to obsess over words when it's the meaning they carry that we should be paying attention to. Context is everything.
Ccandrews:
This is interesting reading, and anything less than the standard bell curve of opinions would have been (statistically) disappointing.
This argument comes up at least once a decade, but the world is in a different place this time. I grew up in a part of the States that was barely a territory in 1860 and where black slavery didn't exist (or at least wasn't widespread). As a result of history, people here had very limited phraseology or idioms that reference race or slavery. As a result, I never understood the argument that this could be an offensive term. However I later spent the better part of 30 years in the south I came to realize how many people were still re-living the civil war and slavery and for whom racial idioms are a part of the vernacular.
So now at least I can see the argument for changing these terms that reference the relationship. As it is usually used to refer to talker/listeners or primary/secondary the term master/slave isn't even that accurate unless the master is off-loading a process to the slave as in a sub-processor or numeric processor situation. Bus master's are in control of the bus but hardly a stereotypical master of slaves. For many bus master/slave combinations even Marco/Polo is more accurate.
Slavery existed in the past and, in similar forms, continues today. It was, and is, not limited to blacks. Also the western world has done other things every bit as bad as black slavery, the wars/slaughter/suppression/slavery of natives and the medieval crusades come to mind.
james_s:
--- Quote from: tom66 on June 17, 2020, 02:28:24 pm ---Are we really saying a guy fleeing deserves to be shot?
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No, but in this case the guy was not simply fleeing. He grabbed the officers taser and pointed it at him while running. This could have ended very differently, had he succeeded in incapacitating the officer with the taser he could have grabbed the real gun from the officer and then who knows what his intent was. It's not like you can stand around and see if the bad guy is gonna kill you and then respond accordingly. I was always taught that you never touch a police officer, ever, and you certainly don't try to grab any kind of weapon from them, lethal or not. It's not as if police officers are never murdered by suspects. This guy made a choice, he could have cooperated and gone to jail for intoxication and been out in a few days but instead he decided to do an obviously very dangerous move and it ended badly for him. It was 100% his choice, it's disingenuous to say he was fleeing, that implies he was not a threat which he clearly was, he had a weapon capable of incapacitation of someone with a properly deadly weapon and was actively trying to use it. This does not appear to be a case of brutality or unnecessary force.
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