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magic:
It's nice to talk about people deserving to live because you believe that theoretically they could be helped but here's a simple problem: there simply isn't enough committed money and, ahem, personpower :P to actually help all of them. And never will, get over it - we have been hearing this talk for decades. So somebody has to be thrown under the bus, so it might as well be one who steals a taser and attack the police with it.

Leftism is based on completely unrealistic premises and neverending generalizations of irrelevant edge cases. Just because you have seen an inspirational documentary about a criminal on whom a ton of effort in some pilot program had been spent to straighten him out, it doesn't mean there aren't ten others who will never receive anything like that and would better be dead for all practical purposes.

Sad but true.
DimitriP:

--- Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on June 17, 2020, 07:07:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ccandrews on June 17, 2020, 05:39:42 pm ---and the medieval crusades come to mind.

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The medieval crusades what? Because they came first to invade us. Eight centuries in Spain no more no less.

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Oh boy ..Tell me who "us" is and then we can have fun.
tom66:

--- Quote from: magic on June 17, 2020, 08:03:41 pm ---It's nice to talk about people deserving to live because you believe that theoretically they could be helped but here's a simple problem [..]

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I agree that some people are beyond help but the evidence from Norway and some other countries that have a reformed prison system shows that, with the right support,  *many* people can be reformed and better people.

Look it at this way. Say it costs 50,000 EUR to reform a prisoner that can be reformed.  But they pay taxes for the next 50-60 years if they succeed.  Does that not sound like an economically sensible thing to try on those who are most likely to respond to reform (petty criminals, youths, drug addicts, etc.)

On the other hand I think we should recognise many-repeat offenders as irreparable and at a certain point not release them into the general population because they bring more harm than good.  If someone does not respond to the help and support available then they need to be moved out of the "moderate" facility and into the more serious facility, possibly for the rest of their life.  Until we have a way of fixing brain chemistry, we're kind of stuck with these individuals.  And capital punishment isn't appropriate for an illness, although I think we should offer voluntary euthanasia for them.
james_s:

--- Quote from: tom66 on June 17, 2020, 08:18:48 pm ---I agree that some people are beyond help but the evidence from Norway and some other countries that have a reformed prison system shows that, with the right support,  *many* people can be reformed and better people.

Look it at this way. Say it costs 50,000 EUR to reform a prisoner that can be reformed.  But they pay taxes for the next 50-60 years if they succeed.  Does that not sound like an economically sensible thing to try on those who are most likely to respond to reform (petty criminals, youths, drug addicts, etc.)

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I'm sure our prison system has much room for improvement and reform, but that doesn't seem to be part of the debate lately. What is front and center right now is a general attack on the police who simply enforce the laws, there seems to be a highly concentrated effort to show the police in a negative light and do everything possible to undermine their efforts and ability to do the job they're tasked to do. Additional efforts to cancel any TV shows or movies and silence anything that shows the police doing positive things is also disturbing. Whether that's part of a larger picture I don't know but it does seem strange to me that the same crowd that has been trying for decades to disarm the general population is now trying to disarm and cripple the police too. On the outside it has the appearance of openly siding with the violent criminals rather than the rest of us who just want to go about our daily lives without being robbed, mugged, stolen from, etc. I have no idea who the people who want to get rid of the police think should be in charge but it's probably not going to end up being anyone most of us want running the show. Organized crime and the nutty right wing militants seem the most likely contenders to end up on top in the unlikely event that anarchy prevails in the short term.
DimitriP:

--- Quote ---What is front and center right now is a general attack on the police who simply enforce the laws, there seems to be a highly concentrated effort to show the police in a negative light and do everything possible to undermine their efforts and ability to do the job they're tasked to do.
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Nope. You are behind.  What you are describing is old news, being worked on already.
The new front and center is  syrup and rice. Gotta keep them consumers happy!
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