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paulca:
Just remember the point of police is not to bring justice, but to bring to justice. There is a fundamental difference and it is very easily put that police are not well trained enough in the law to serve justice and they will agree that. Police serving justice is worse than a kangeroo court.
On US police (and citizen) gun violence. Nothing will happen until first they admit there is a problem.
No matter what argument put forward for free and near regulation-less gun ownership and carry, the simple answer, "Well, that seems to be working out well, doesn't it", pretty much covers it.
tom66:
Defund the police is stupid. A country needs a functioning police force to have a functional society. Even most libertarians, wanting as little state as possible, agree some form of police is necessary.
The problem is the police in the US have too much power. Their unions and fellow officers protect each other. It doesn't matter if there are just a "few bad apples" if they all shield each other from scrutiny. As @dunkemhigh says, we are in an increasing age where everyone has a phone, CCTV, and officers in some states are required to have body cameras.
In the UK, in order to become a police officer you need to hold a degree or an equivalent form of higher education. Whereas many police departments in the US expressly prohibit police from having any form of higher education. Why is this? It's as if the administration want dumb worker bees, not someone who can think on their feet and respond appropriately, de-escalating where possible. It seems in the USA, police govern by force, whereas in the UK and in many other countries, police govern by consent.
paulca:
Worse is they hired an unproportionate number of ex-military, including PTSD vetrans.
As an external viewer, I can't help but think....
Punishment for fleeing police: Death by firing squad.
Punishment for resisting arrest: Death by firing squad.
Punishment for denying police: Death by firing squad.
It sounds familiar, but it sort of escapes me right now.... Oh.. yes, Godwin's law.
Once they have you as their focus, it does not matter what you did, what they think you did or whether you are a completely innocent bystander, once you are their focus you MUST OBEY EVERY COMMAND, no matter how unreasonable. ANY attempt to resist, refuse or even delay in your immediately and fully subservant response to their orders will result in a massively out of proportion esculation by the police. Any attempt to resist, defend yourself or flee results in... Death by firing squad.
So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for courts. So much for freedom.
SparkyFX:
--- Quote from: tom66 on June 18, 2020, 07:20:17 am ---Defund the police is stupid.
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Stop to read headlines only... the movement describes it different. It means to shift responsibilities and funding outside typical police work to other groups - social workers presumably.
DimitriP:
--- Quote ---So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for courts. So much for freedom.
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Except when it comes to cops...right ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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