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--- Quote from: DimitriP on June 18, 2020, 09:23:03 am ---
--- Quote ---So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for courts. So much for freedom.
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Except when it comes to cops...right ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Don't know about the US but here in the UK if something happens that might require an investigation the policemen involved don't give a statement straight away. They are allowed a few days to 'recover' and then they all sit in a room to compare notes and collaborate, after which they write their statements. Imagine if your average gang members were afforded the same courtesy, but they're not for good reason.
paulca:
--- Quote from: DimitriP on June 18, 2020, 09:23:03 am ---
--- Quote ---So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for courts. So much for freedom.
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Except when it comes to cops...right ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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What do you mean? They were tried in court, no? They weren't shot in the back while running away unarmed.
coppice:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on June 18, 2020, 10:30:29 am ---
--- Quote from: DimitriP on June 18, 2020, 09:23:03 am ---
--- Quote ---So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for courts. So much for freedom.
--- End quote ---
Except when it comes to cops...right ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Don't know about the US but here in the UK if something happens that might require an investigation the policemen involved don't give a statement straight away. They are allowed a few days to 'recover' and then they all sit in a room to compare notes and collaborate, after which they write their statements. Imagine if your average gang members were afforded the same courtesy, but they're not for good reason.
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In the UK if you witness an event, and write up what happened, the first thing the police ask when you hand them the statement is how long after the event you wrote it. Anything more than an hour, and they regard it as largely useless as evidence for court use.
coppice:
--- Quote from: tom66 on June 18, 2020, 07:20:17 am ---Defund the police is stupid. A country needs a functioning police force to have a functional society. Even most libertarians, wanting as little state as possible, agree some form of police is necessary.
The problem is the police in the US have too much power. Their unions and fellow officers protect each other. It doesn't matter if there are just a "few bad apples" if they all shield each other from scrutiny. As @dunkemhigh says, we are in an increasing age where everyone has a phone, CCTV, and officers in some states are required to have body cameras.
In the UK, in order to become a police officer you need to hold a degree or an equivalent form of higher education. Whereas many police departments in the US expressly prohibit police from having any form of higher education. Why is this? It's as if the administration want dumb worker bees, not someone who can think on their feet and respond appropriately, de-escalating where possible. It seems in the USA, police govern by force, whereas in the UK and in many other countries, police govern by consent.
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When you deal with officials in the US, they usually act like mindless automata. Its how they are trained to work. Being emotionless reduces friction. Following a set procedure improves the consistency of their behaviour. There are upsides to that way of working, but substantial downsides too. Its hard to say how it all balances out.
vodka:
--- Quote from: paulca on June 18, 2020, 07:57:51 am ---Worse is they hired an unproportionate number of ex-military, including PTSD vetrans.
As an external viewer, I can't help but think....
Punishment for fleeing police: Death by firing squad.
Punishment for resisting arrest: Death by firing squad.
Punishment for denying police: Death by firing squad.
It sounds familiar, but it sort of escapes me right now.... Oh.. yes, Godwin's law.
Once they have you as their focus, it does not matter what you did, what they think you did or whether you are a completely innocent bystander, once you are their focus you MUST OBEY EVERY COMMAND, no matter how unreasonable. ANY attempt to resist, refuse or even delay in your immediately and fully subservant response to their orders will result in a massively out of proportion esculation by the police. Any attempt to resist, defend yourself or flee results in... Death by firing squad.
So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for courts. So much for freedom.
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They have to behavior like spanish police, leaving to kill. They can't use their reglamentary weapon if they haven't reciveid fire. The offender have to shoot first and after the police can fire. Of course,ever that the police() is not hit by the offender .
After we have the stupid law of proportional force.You must cause the minor damage to attacker. In example,if you have a gun and your attacker a knife,kill the aggresor is disproportional. you should have to injure in a no-vital point. What do happen if the agressor is drugged? You are lucky and you hit in leg and the attack may stops else you will be breeding worms.
Have already dead several officers thinking if they fire or not fire
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