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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
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Simon:
I believe he drew first? was he prepared to kill? but yes it seems like a long sentence, what do cold blooded white murderers get?
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Simon on June 19, 2020, 07:42:01 am ---Quite, changing the term does nothing and is worse as it just ignores the problem which is worse. Just brushing it under the carpet and renaming things is causing the perpetuation of the problem and makes those pretending to solve the problem incompetent and they are just causing more harm. But instead they get a pat on the back for "fixing" it by changing a name.
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It's worse than that. Caving in and changing terms empowers the complainers further to do it again, and again, and again....
The worst is when you aren't even using the word to insult someone and you are using it in some other innocent context, but someone gets offended by it anyway, and still maintains the outrage even after that is explained to them. These people need to be flatly told to just piss off.

Oh, and the person complaining almost always isn't part of that group they are complaining the word is offending.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: JoeN on June 11, 2020, 06:37:43 am ---Every techie knows what this means - you don't even have to read the article (overly long, you know the examples better than the author does), but here it is if you want:  https://www.cnet.com/news/master-and-slave-tech-terms-face-scrutiny-amid-anti-racism-efforts/

I've been against this in the past because I thought it would create confusion.  Now that I think about it, if we can all (100% of the industry - think IEEE directive) agree on the copypasta, this might be a good and feasible thing.

I propose changing MASTER to PRIMARY and SLAVE to SECONDARY.  Since MASTER and SLAVE are words that are not otherwise often used in technology, probably updating documents is as simple as doing a replace on these two words, with a quick check.  Induhvidual engineers will probably not adopt the new words orally until there is a new generation, but who cares.  Update the documentation, wait for the results, less irritated people.

What do you think?

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Bugger off (in the nicest possible way), go and solve real problems in the world.

Apparently I'm late to this 22 page party, just found it. What did I miss?  :popcorn:
Let me guess, there are probably two maybe three posters advocating for changing it because "well, why not, what's the harm in not offending people?"  ::)
SparkyFX:

--- Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on June 19, 2020, 09:21:13 am ---When a minority can impose its views on the majority, isn't that a perversion of democracy?

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--- Quote from: DimitriP on June 19, 2020, 09:28:46 am ---There is word for that:
ter·ror·ism
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In terms of justice their is no "minority" and "majority"... either there are crimes or there are none. Making such distinctions makes such discussions drift into social topics and points of view.

I do ofc know that there are crimes committed by people making these distinctions or living in their own little bubble, but undermining the concept of equal justice is the first step to the kangaroo court and dictatorship. Such dictatorships then usually turn against all of its own citizens, because that's where the majority is and over-represented niche cases never cut the mustard, so new scapegoats need to be found.

I admit that there is somewhat of a blind spot in there, when it comes to governments trying to offset inequality - but that is based on law and therefore not a crime.
EEVblog:
Oh, and I'm pretty sure this thread is going to go off the rail if it hasn't done so already, so please keep it fairly on-topic. No obvious segues into BLM etc please.
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