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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
daqq:
One of the issues: If you are going to change terminology every time someone is offended, you'll end up doing massive changes to terminology once a month.
engrguy42:
IMO, the biggest mistake with these kinds of discussions is when people try to apply logic to understand what people do and think. They assume people are operating with thought or knowledge or understanding or concern about actually solving problems.
BZZZTTT!!! WRONG!!!
People operate based on feelings and emotions. That's it. They do what feels good or right, and they do and believe what makes them feel good. They do things that boost their egos. They do things that make them feel good about THEMSELVES. For many, care for others is just a front that is disguising care for self and the need to feel good about yourself.
People believe what they WANT to believe. Facts are irrelevant. If it feels good, it's good. If it feels bad, it's bad. And anything that disagrees with them is bad and evil, cuz it hurts my FEELINGS. Facts are irrelevant.
The things most people do to combat a "social evil" are based on feelings and emotions, and the need to feel good about themselves. Most of the acts you see are irrelevant and useless, solely pretentious posturing by people who want others to "like" them.
We've had this since the beginning of time. But what I find really scary now is that the adults have left the room. Governments, corporations, parents, seem to all be caving to this childish nonsense that will ultimately only divide us further and accomplish nothing. We're in a very difficult time, and we should be working together to find a way out rather than playing childish, emotional games. We're ignoring the real issues, and instead focusing on the latest video or post on FB.
We're doomed.
Kjelt:
--- Quote from: Simon on June 20, 2020, 09:30:11 am ---the problem is the usage of the word or the context of it's usage, if the word itself is the problem then we will be learning a new language every year.
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As is prooven many times it is the n word itself that is exclusive for use claimed by the afroamerican people.
A dutch soccer coach was fired in the US because there was a rap song playing in the teams dressing room and he sang together with a few players three sentences and one of them had the n word. Another (aa) player filed a complaint with his union. This was a player that in the eyes of the coach was not performing optimal and he less selected less to play. So yeah things are becoming weird over there. No white man except Tarantino in his movies is allowed to use the n word. But if it is that heavy emotionally and historically loaded why not abandon it all together ?
Some words mean different things in different countries/cultures. In our country shit means too bad, in the sense of unfortunate. In the US it is a pretty heavy curse. But we use it all the time, the f word also, it has no special heavy meaning in our language it is just a cool word came into our culture thtough american movies. Cultures differ.
magic:
--- Quote from: daqq on June 20, 2020, 10:59:33 am ---One of the issues: If you are going to change terminology every time someone is offended, you'll end up doing massive changes to terminology once a month.
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It's not about us, my fellow white people. That's a small price to pay for ending stereotypes and prejudice.
All these brave tech companies already took a hard stance on racism. Why is your name not on this list yet?
https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-alternative-term-to-avoid-slavery-references/
I told you they will do it :-DD
Zero999:
--- Quote from: Kjelt on June 20, 2020, 01:07:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on June 20, 2020, 09:30:11 am ---the problem is the usage of the word or the context of it's usage, if the word itself is the problem then we will be learning a new language every year.
--- End quote ---
As is prooven many times it is the n word itself that is exclusive for use claimed by the afroamerican people.
A dutch soccer coach was fired in the US because there was a rap song playing in the teams dressing room and he sang together with a few players three sentences and one of them had the n word. Another (aa) player filed a complaint with his union. This was a player that in the eyes of the coach was not performing optimal and he less selected less to play. So yeah things are becoming weird over there. No white man except Tarantino in his movies is allowed to use the n word. But if it is that heavy emotionally and historically loaded why not abandon it all together ?
Some words mean different things in different countries/cultures. In our country shit means too bad, in the sense of unfortunate. In the US it is a pretty heavy curse. But we use it all the time, the f word also, it has no special heavy meaning in our language it is just a cool word came into our culture thtough american movies. Cultures differ.
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What did the other players say? One would hope that if the coach was just singing along and wasn't being racist, they would have leapt to his defence.
A few months ago someone of colour left the company where I work because they had a disagreement with some white colleagues. I've heard rumours he's now making accusations of racism and is trying to sue. I think he's making it up to get money. I know the people he's accusing aren't racist and there are other people of colour who have worked with the accused and don't believe them either.
One thing I've noticed is most people, of any colour, hate false accusations of racism. They feel it undermines everyone fighting for equality and there should be consequencies for anyone making false, malicious allegations. I think falsely accusing someone of racism, is a form of racism in itself and deserves a similar punishment.
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