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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

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Zero999:
Personally speaking, I don't care that much one way or another. The idea of changing terms because a small minority find them offensive, for no justifiable reason or they think it'll make the world a better place, is daft, but I also doubt it'll result in the slippery slope many fear. If an organisation feels that changing such terms will result in good public relations, then good for them and if someone is paid good money to go through documentation, changing them, again good for them.

Admittedly it does annoy me when wimpy babies get offended by stilly things, but sometimes it's not worth the fight. Choose your battles wisely.

coppice:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 22, 2020, 11:49:17 am ---There is a parallel phenomenon in the tech industry, especially the software industry, but also electronics. It too is annoying, partly because it wastes people's time. The technique is simple and beloved of marketeers, and to a lesser extent technical people that are ignorant or seeking to advance their careers.

What is it? Simply to give an old technique a new name, so that people are either

* bamboozled into thinking there is an advance, or
* have to waste their time verifying that there isn't an advance - and then convince the bamboozled that there isn't actually a silver bullet
Me irritated? Yes, most definitely!

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I am amused when young engineers try to insist that something that was common in the past "couldn't possibly have been done", even when you show them pictures of actual equipment doing it. :)

magic:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 22, 2020, 10:37:02 am ---Again, you show your ignorance.

Usenet was not and is not a BBS. For a couple of decades it was the primary way people interacted technically, socially, politically, religiously, etc etc on the internet.
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And you have latched onto that most irrelevant BBS nitpick while completely ignoring my primary point: you were all a small bunch of nerds. This is not representative of common language. Show me some newspaper articles from those times if you must. At least declare that such a thing existed.

Besides, you said they pushed for 'hir' as a replacement for 'his/her' rather than 'their' :-//

You will never convince me that I haven't seen a massive growth of singular they in the last few years because I have seen just that. You may convince me that it was more common than I think, perhaps particularly in Britain, but by pointing out examples of such language from late 20th century rather than arguing about technicalities of Usenet.


--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 22, 2020, 10:39:35 am ---Curiously the usenet proponents of "hir" and similar could never be persuaded that "their" was a commonplace existing word with precisely the meaning they wanted!

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Maybe it wasn't :-//
I repeat: in the 2000s I was most often seeing 'he' being the "default" pronoun. This changed massively in the last few years, under pressure of offended feminists who were posting whole rants about how sexist it is. Then LGBT joined in with their "actually, it isn't true that there are only men and women".


--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 22, 2020, 10:37:02 am ---
--- Quote ---By the way, I tracked down a sample of one (among many) pioneering efforts in this latest wave of gender neutrality, straight from 2011:
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Pioneering my foot.

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Pioneering the latest wave I said. Usenet is irrelevant. I bet most of the SJWs who successfully campaign for all the current language reforms have never heard of it.

tggzzz:

--- Quote from: magic on June 22, 2020, 11:57:50 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 22, 2020, 10:37:02 am ---Again, you show your ignorance.

Usenet was not and is not a BBS. For a couple of decades it was the primary way people interacted technically, socially, politically, religiously, etc etc on the internet.
--- End quote ---
And you have latched onto that most irrelevant BBS nitpick while completely ignoring my primary point: you were all a small bunch of nerds. This is not representative of common language. Show me some newspaper articles from those times if you must. At least declare that such a thing existed.

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I don't need to; that information is already completely explicit in the standard English dictionary, i.e. the OED.

That was pointed out by dunkemhigh in this post earlier in the thread: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/master-and-slave-tech-terms-face-scrutiny-amid-anti-racism-efforts/msg3102342/#msg3102342


--- Quote ---Besides, you said they pushed for 'hir' as a replacement for 'his/her' rather than 'their' :-//

You will never convince me that I haven't seen a massive growth of singular they in the last few years because I have seen just that. You may convince me that it was more common than I think, perhaps particularly in Britain, but by pointing out examples of such language from late 20th century rather than arguing about technicalities of Usenet.

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You sound exactly like those usenet proponents pushing their gender neutral words. They too refused on principle to believe things they didn't want to believe :)


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--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 22, 2020, 10:37:02 am ---
--- Quote ---By the way, I tracked down a sample of one (among many) pioneering efforts in this latest wave of gender neutrality, straight from 2011:
....

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Pioneering my foot.

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Pioneering the latest wave I said. Usenet is irrelevant. I bet most of the SJWs who successfully campaign for all the current language reforms have never heard of it.

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That's a meaning of "pioneering" that I'm not familiar with.

If I was familiar with it I would be comfortable making statements to the effect of pioneering the use of eggs in the latest wave of cooking breakfast, straight from this morning.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: magic on June 22, 2020, 05:47:22 am ---
--- Quote from: julianhigginson on June 22, 2020, 12:44:48 am ---I mean, here's a guy rallying against the use of the word "you" in singular form from a few centuries ago. (bottom paragraph of page)
IF ONLY WE HAD LISTENED TO HIM, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MESS.

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Are you arguing that English isn't the most dumbed down, least expressive and most illogical of European languages? :P

And nowadays you also have singular 'they' and even singular 'are' :wtf: to use it with and you will soon have two different names for SPI masters. Way to go.

Maybe the Anglosphere doesn't perceive it as a problem, all of you wallowing in your cesspool since the day of birth, but your whole culture is increasingly looking like a joke to outsiders. Just sayin' :-//

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And why you need to care?
Because you have outsourced everything including reproduction and education and run 100% on immigration.
If more people like blueskull or me keep deciding to bail out of there, you will be done for.

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Do you know what is the entirety of modern Western culture summed up in one sentence?

It's taking pride in being so "powerful" and "progressive" that you can get away with dumb ideas.

But it won't last. The UK was a global power just 100 years ago and today they are totally irrelevant and, most recently, shunned by a large chunk of continental Europe because of their internal conflicts and indecision. So much for the UK.
Are you willing to bet that America will still be such a big deal in 2120 if they are built on more or less the same culture and ideology?

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Success may make people fat and lazy...    I recall riding with a young Pakistani taxi driver years ago....  we got on well, and as part of a bigger conversation I asked him why Pakistanis were running all the local stores in the town.  His answer stuck with me:  "My parents' generation came here and worked every hour God sent for a better life.  My generation is just as lazy as you guys!"

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