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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on June 24, 2020, 01:37:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: SerieZ on June 24, 2020, 01:31:47 pm ---The biggest problem is that these folks don't realize the only thing holding them down is their own group... just like a bucket of crabs.
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Its quite normal to see this happening in disadvantaged groups. Many working class kids try to shame anyone in their group who tries, through hard work or raw talent, to make progress in life. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.
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By enforcing a "social contract of misery", those who can't or don't want to do any better (or those who do OK exploiting those even more miserable than themselves) can feel they are OK. Of course, that whole construct breaks down if members of the group move on and demonstrate that you can do much better outside it... so they naturally want to clamp down on it. (Hmmm wonder if this applies to nationalists...)
SerieZ:
--- Quote from: coppice on June 24, 2020, 01:37:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: SerieZ on June 24, 2020, 01:31:47 pm ---The biggest problem is that these folks don't realize the only thing holding them down is their own group... just like a bucket of crabs.
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Its quite normal to see this happening in disadvantaged groups. Many working class kids try to shame anyone in their group who tries, through hard work or raw talent, to make progress in life. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.
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That is the kind of behavior that really should be discouraged.
When I was a Kid in school someone having his mother insulted and not reacting violently to such offense was considered weak - From what Ive seen now the kids shrug it off and those who cant handle their emotions are being laughed at and frowned.
That is some good change of values IMHO
magic:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 24, 2020, 07:27:21 am ---What is really offensive is promoting some form of equivalence between intelligent humans and machines.
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Not equivalence but similarity: the same thought patterns that you apply to machines, somebody else applies to men, women and nonbinaries. This is about removing those thought patterns from common language, making them feel weird and out of place altogether, regardless of context. Another small step towards the big goals of humanity.
--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 24, 2020, 07:27:21 am ---What is really offensive is expecting that people can't tell the difference.
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Of course there are people to whom there is no difference and you know it. If you aren't racist, this isn't targeted at you.
Besides, you probably aren't even offended, just saying that you are. You hippie generation taught this trick to kids, the kids are now using it back at you, all the time. And it works like it always did. Same with the 1984-esque method of social engineering by changing the language to change the way people perceive reality and ultimately change how they act and change the reality. It's hardly a new idea and it's being used with the same success it had always been. Maybe slightly faster and that's what makes you oldies feel uncomfortable.
Please realize that as long as somebody, somewhere is suffering, there will never be "enough" social progress.
You boarded a train that has no brakes, the ride never ends >:D
--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 24, 2020, 09:21:26 am ---"White people"? That's pig ignorant, both now and historically! A sensitive soul could also regard it as a racist trigger point :)
5s(!) googling brings up
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Jokes on you because I'm a sociopath and you wasted 5 seconds by falling for Poe's law despite claiming you are an Internet veteran ::)
--- Quote from: madires on June 24, 2020, 09:48:07 am ---The idea of "white masters and black slaves" is racist by itself. Oopsie. >:D
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That's the definition of racism which was used to create in white people the perception that racism is wrong. Now that the perception exist, racism has different definitions to achieve new goals, mostly centered about equality of outcome.
If you want to argue with somebody you think is an SJW, at least familiarize yourself with the latest SJWisms and don't waste your time posting things which will be dismissed right away by any SJW ;)
tom66:
Equality of outcome? Are we really going down that rabbit-hole?
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: magic on June 25, 2020, 07:24:58 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 24, 2020, 09:21:26 am ---"White people"? That's pig ignorant, both now and historically! A sensitive soul could also regard it as a racist trigger point :)
5s(!) googling brings up
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Jokes on you because I'm a sociopath and you wasted 5 seconds by falling for Poe's law despite claiming you are an Internet veteran ::)
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Your self-description is noted.
I tend to think the best of people, unless there is a good reason to believe otherwise. Sometimes I am mistaken, but that's rarely a cause for regret.
You removed the context for my statement in order to be able to make your point. That is not good practice. Here is the context; I'm content to let anybody else make up their own mind...
--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 24, 2020, 09:21:26 am ---
--- Quote from: magic on June 24, 2020, 05:35:53 am ---That's why this change is needed. Technical terms should reflect technical reality, not be references to abhorrent practices of white people.
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"White people"? That's pig ignorant, both now and historically! A sensitive soul could also regard it as a racist trigger point :)
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