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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: magic on June 25, 2020, 07:24:58 am ---Jokes on you because I'm a sociopath and you wasted 5 seconds by falling for Poe's law despite claiming you are an Internet veteran ::)

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And basically trolling it seems.
Be careful how far you push it here.
SerieZ:
I think using the "You Can Lead a Horse to Water" phrase regarding the collapse of the USSR left it pretty clear how that brain ticks.
Or maybe I am overly sensitive  :-//
Nominal Animal:
Nevertheless, it is important to realize that basically none of the people on either side of these issues are evil.

The proponents for the forced language are ruled by their emotions in a very limited context (sometimes indistinguishable from pathological ideology; brainwashing), rejecting rational, analytical discussion and wide-range analysis.  And that is the root of the problem.

This is a poor analogy, but it is somewhat like dealing with kids.  You don't punish them for making a honest error, you help them to learn to do better.

We cannot teach these people, because they believe we are 'other', antagonists.  We must not let them be, because they cause damage to the very structure of our societies – we all know what their frenzy looks like, with dozens dead in their "experiments" and "zones" in the United States, people losing their jobs and livelihoods because of claimed "offense" often years or even decades later; "offense" that for some other people is completely ignored.  Their actions are emotionally dictated, chaotic.  They don't listen to reason, and they ignore any kind of proof that does not fit into their ideological framework – and if you find some that does, they'll either label you as a evil troublemaker (so they can ignore the message) or the proof tainted (because of some social offense by some people somehow associated with the proof); they will not change their opinion in any case, not in any kind of numbers that matter.

How can we fix this?

In the past, only violence or exile has worked.  I reject that, because I don't see these people as an enemy, just unwittingly dangerous – like people who are asymptomatic carriers who refuse to isolate themselves.  But, doing nothing will lead to a society that will likely reject me, as I am unable to feel and act like they demand everyone must; and one where future generations have much less freedom or opportunities than we have right now.  Personally, to me it looks very much similar to how other cultures in history have self-imploded, and at least it will be interesting to observe how that happens.
SerieZ:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 25, 2020, 09:45:07 am ---Nevertheless, it is important to realize that basically none of the people on either side of these issues are evil.

The proponents for the forced language are ruled by their emotions in a very limited context (sometimes indistinguishable from pathological ideology; brainwashing), rejecting rational, analytical discussion and wide-range analysis.  And that is the root of the problem.

This is a poor analogy, but it is somewhat like dealing with kids.  You don't punish them for making a honest error, you help them to learn to do better.

We cannot teach these people, because they believe we are 'other', antagonists.  We must not let them be, because they cause damage to the very structure of our societies – we all know what their frenzy looks like, with dozens dead in their "experiments" and "zones" in the United States, people losing their jobs and livelihoods because of claimed "offense" often years or even decades later; "offense" that for some other people is completely ignored.  Their actions are emotionally dictated, chaotic.  They don't listen to reason, and they ignore any kind of proof that does not fit into their ideological framework – and if you find some that does, they'll either label you as a evil troublemaker (so they can ignore the message) or the proof tainted (because of some social offense by some people somehow associated with the proof); they will not change their opinion in any case, not in any kind of numbers that matter.

How can we fix this?

In the past, only violence or exile has worked.  I reject that, because I don't see these people as an enemy, just unwittingly dangerous – like people who are asymptomatic carriers who refuse to isolate themselves.  But, doing nothing will lead to a society that will likely reject me, as I am unable to feel and act like they demand everyone must; and one where future generations have much less freedom or opportunities than we have right now.  Personally, to me it looks very much similar to how other cultures in history have self-imploded, and at least it will be interesting to observe how that happens.

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I feel the same as you do but I have to remind myself of this often as well. You see, I DO get angry when I see hypocrisy at work.
My approach is to at least try and call out Dogmatic behavior whenever I seerecognize it... which drains a lot of Energy.
Some of my friends suggested when talking about this that Switzerland is not like the USA and it will never be as bad or similar here but I have to retort that this kind of behavior can already be seen here as well.
It is incredibly Creepy and sometimes I am having a hard time trying to stay optimistic.
Knowing that I am not alone with those thoughts does help.
Knowing that smart, capable people whose opinions I respect can also fall for Dogmatic Views does not.
I wish I could just shrug those off as Idiots... but then I would be no better.
 |O
PlainName:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on June 25, 2020, 08:56:24 am ---
--- Quote from: magic on June 25, 2020, 07:24:58 am ---Jokes on you because I'm a sociopath and you wasted 5 seconds by falling for Poe's law despite claiming you are an Internet veteran ::)

--- End quote ---

And basically trolling it seems.
Be careful how far you push it here.

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As a non-participant, it comes across to me as more of a piss-take than trolling. Often, he is taking the piss out of the ones he is pretending to be like or identify with, but, as is also quite common, his opposite number is too involved to see that and thinks he is being serious.
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