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retrolefty:

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--- Quote from: coppice on June 24, 2020, 01:37:57 pm ---Its quite normal to see this happening in disadvantaged groups. Many working class kids try to shame anyone in their group who tries, through hard work or raw talent, to make progress in life. The colour of their skin is irrelevant.

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I think it's even lower level than that. Humans are fundamentally tribal animals, they tend to shame anybody who is an outsider, who doesn't fit in with the tribe. Whether that's because of their race, nationality, political leanings, religion, or anything else. It's the same reason if you look among teenagers there are the jocks, goths, punks, nerds, etc who tend to congregate together and tease others who different than themselves. This is fundamental hardwired human behavior, we can use our intelligence to override it to a significant extent but it will always exist.

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 Correct. It has been coined monkeyshere. This link is a must read for anyone that want's to understand the problem and hopefully try and raise above it at least on a personal level.

https://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

Nominal Animal:
In case you think this stuff is mostly about United States, think again.

The Finnish government just revealed its revamped equality efforts: now based on intersectional feminism.

Yes, Finland now has an intersectional feminist government.  :palm:

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 26, 2020, 05:11:20 am ---In case you think this stuff is mostly about United States, think again.

The Finnish government just revealed its revamped equality efforts: now based on intersectional feminism.

Yes, Finland now has an intersectional feminist government.  :palm:

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What is "intersectional feminism"?   Does it promote good kissing?

magic:
You bet it does :-+

It's quite miraculous that thousands of societies exist or existed which scaled beyond the alleged 150 heads "monkey limit" and didn't turn into absolute shitshow, even despite nobody thinking about the monkey limit or making efforts to personally raise above it. Shocking, how are they doing it? :-//

Nominal Animal:
Intersectional feminism is just a tribalist, classist political view that denounces individual responsibility or agency, replacing it with The Group.


--- Quote from: magic on June 26, 2020, 07:15:52 am ---It's quite miraculous that thousands of societies exist or existed which scaled beyond the alleged 150 heads "monkey limit" and didn't turn into absolute shitshow
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No, it isn't.  All this is very well known in anthropology.

To simplify a bit, if you have a group of humans isolated from other humans, they will become like a large family; sort of anarchistically self-organize.  They'll develop their own moral codes, and assuming food and shelter is available, tend to prosper.  Around 100-200 people you start getting conflicts that require some sort of a legal system, plus organized governance, often around the eldest.  (One way we differ from apes and monkeys is that intelligence and complex communication gave us a way to overcome the 150 head limit; something other apes and monkeys do not have.) Around 1500-2000 people you start seeing an increase in crime.  Not just in absolute numbers, but in relative terms; meaning that the probability of a random person to be a victim of crime increases.  The typical way of describing this is "people start to lurk in between the cracks of the society", sheltered by the anonymity provided by a larger society.

The reason this is well known in anthropology is that this has repeated all over the world for thousands of times.  Pick a human society today or in history, and you can describe how it behaves/works based on the above.

Commerce, religion, and co-operating but separate cultures (like agricultural societies doing commerce with nomads or migratory herders) add some very interesting wrinkles, making the situations even more interesting (for example, how you can have two separate cultures coexist without merging, even though you no longer can tell from an individuals' DNA which one they belong to), but does not really change the overall picture.

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