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tggzzz:

--- Quote from: Simon on June 27, 2020, 09:31:28 am ---The problem is always the same, make a fuss about what does not matter and ignore the real problem so that we have another fight for another day and repeat.

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Very true, and the important point.

Except, of course, in the rare cases where the fuss does cause real changes.


--- Quote from: Simon on June 26, 2020, 12:59:38 pm ---There is no more natural selection between intelligent and average to below average. Even what little selection society can offer in thick people can't afford kids because they are generally less financially successful is not a thing.

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That way lies social darwinism. The UK may well be heading back to the 1930s, when that was last tried in Europe :(

Still, it may enable people to invoke Godwin's law, and thus terminate this thread.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: Moshly on June 27, 2020, 12:53:35 am --- :palm:



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Exactly.

What's worse is this could increase levels of racism. This will help the hard right who'll claim that all black people are whiny pussies who get offended by everything. Sadly many will believe them and join the backlash.

Simon:

--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 27, 2020, 12:11:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on June 27, 2020, 09:31:28 am ---The problem is always the same, make a fuss about what does not matter and ignore the real problem so that we have another fight for another day and repeat.

--- End quote ---

Very true, and the important point.

Except, of course, in the rare cases where the fuss does cause real changes.


--- Quote from: Simon on June 26, 2020, 12:59:38 pm ---There is no more natural selection between intelligent and average to below average. Even what little selection society can offer in thick people can't afford kids because they are generally less financially successful is not a thing.

--- End quote ---

That way lies social darwinism. The UK may well be heading back to the 1930s, when that was last tried in Europe :(

Still, it may enable people to invoke Godwin's law, and thus terminate this thread.

--- End quote ---

Unfortunately society does not have any passive way of selecting and financial status is not a good selector, just look at our incumbent in number 10. Other methods would be ugly but I do often wonder why we pay people ta have kids, the answer is generally because they need the money, my answer is then why are they not paid more? We currently have a massive skew of very wealthy whilst having very poor with people doing OK in the middle. The first problem I see in child benefit is that for some it ranges from an incentive to have kids to an enabler for people not bright enough to get good jobs. BUT that comes with the proviso that jobs are reasonably paid. If you have a job you should be able to afford your rent and children without state handouts that in reality are just handouts to their employers who can now pay them less. This also means a low tax base and so shit services for the society and poor social conditions that lead to poverty and crime.

If everyone was given a fighting chance and the best rose to the top with a well funded state that provided quality services most of what SJW are quibbling about would not even exist and they would have to find real problems, that is of course if people of such low intellect as to fall down the SJW rabbit hole would not even exist.

Sadly no government wants a quality society of intelligent people because it means the rich won't be as rich and they own't be in power.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Simon on June 27, 2020, 01:50:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on June 27, 2020, 12:11:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on June 27, 2020, 09:31:28 am ---The problem is always the same, make a fuss about what does not matter and ignore the real problem so that we have another fight for another day and repeat.

--- End quote ---

Very true, and the important point.

Except, of course, in the rare cases where the fuss does cause real changes.


--- Quote from: Simon on June 26, 2020, 12:59:38 pm ---There is no more natural selection between intelligent and average to below average. Even what little selection society can offer in thick people can't afford kids because they are generally less financially successful is not a thing.

--- End quote ---

That way lies social darwinism. The UK may well be heading back to the 1930s, when that was last tried in Europe :(

Still, it may enable people to invoke Godwin's law, and thus terminate this thread.

--- End quote ---

Unfortunately society does not have any passive way of selecting and financial status is not a good selector, just look at our incumbent in number 10. Other methods would be ugly but I do often wonder why we pay people ta have kids, the answer is generally because they need the money, my answer is then why are they not paid more? We currently have a massive skew of very wealthy whilst having very poor with people doing OK in the middle. The first problem I see in child benefit is that for some it ranges from an incentive to have kids to an enabler for people not bright enough to get good jobs. BUT that comes with the proviso that jobs are reasonably paid. If you have a job you should be able to afford your rent and children without state handouts that in reality are just handouts to their employers who can now pay them less. This also means a low tax base and so shit services for the society and poor social conditions that lead to poverty and crime.

If everyone was given a fighting chance and the best rose to the top with a well funded state that provided quality services most of what SJW are quibbling about would not even exist and they would have to find real problems, that is of course if people of such low intellect as to fall down the SJW rabbit hole would not even exist.

Sadly no government wants a quality society of intelligent people because it means the rich won't be as rich and they own't be in power.

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It is always better to be rich in a rich society, than to be rich in a poor one...    The rich in very unequal societies are just not as smart as the rich in more egalitarian ones, is the simplest explanation that fits the facts.

Simon:
But being rich is always easier in any context. most of the animosity in society is people trying to climb on each other to get to a better place because it is accepted that there is not enough to go round which is not true, but everyone always wants more.

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