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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
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Simon:
I stopped wearing a poppy a while ago but still donate to every poppy seller see. The symbol has lost meaning. It was meant as a symbol to remember what had passed and those that fought on the side of good. And yet here we are in a world of war and an ever divided society. I once listened to a radio show called "an inspector calls" written in 1948 I think, but for the odd term or reference it's a story that still reflects the current state of affairs. The symbol of the poppy is wasted and now idolized by right wing fanatics.
paulca:

--- Quote from: Simon on June 29, 2020, 03:07:29 pm ---I stopped wearing a poppy a while ago but still donate to every poppy seller see. The symbol has lost meaning. It was meant as a symbol to remember what had passed and those that fought on the side of good. And yet here we are in a world of war and an ever divided society. I once listened to a radio show called "an inspector calls" written in 1948 I think, but for the odd term or reference it's a story that still reflects the current state of affairs. The symbol of the poppy is wasted and now idolized by right wing fanatics.

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A rather drunk conclusion fell upon me the other night. 


--- Quote ---When you can no longer point to someone and say, "They fought and died for your freedom.  He lost his brothers.  She lost her sons.  He lost his child.  That whole family fell.  When we can no longer point the youth to these people, is war inevitable?

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PlainName:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on June 29, 2020, 08:49:23 am ---SDI and SDO names have been used in SPI and SPI-like device specifications like forever. I like MISO and MOSI instead because they are super-explicit and spell everything out for you.

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Anyone considered that SPI doesn't have to mean 'master/slave'? Sometimes it is just peer-to-peer data, spat out when it's available rather than triggered by one end or the other. Master/slave would be appropriate for multidrop, but otherwise who is in control and who is being controlled is a purely software thing, so not really appropriate at the hardware level. Indeed, if it were a software stack there would be too much cohesion between the two levels if you did that.
donotdespisethesnake:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on June 29, 2020, 04:13:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on June 29, 2020, 08:49:23 am ---SDI and SDO names have been used in SPI and SPI-like device specifications like forever. I like MISO and MOSI instead because they are super-explicit and spell everything out for you.

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Anyone considered that SPI doesn't have to mean 'master/slave'? Sometimes it is just peer-to-peer data, spat out when it's available rather than triggered by one end or the other. Master/slave would be appropriate for multidrop, but otherwise who is in control and who is being controlled is a purely software thing, so not really appropriate at the hardware level. Indeed, if it were a software stack there would be too much cohesion between the two levels if you did that.

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That is not true. SPI is a hardware standard, what the software transfers is irrelevant. The master drives the slave select signals and the clock. Those signals are always inputs on the slaves.

The master always initiates an SPI transaction. In the sense that the slave monitors signals from the master, the slave is an observer. Therefore I propose IOOI and IIOO, then there will be no confusion.

donotdespisethesnake:
Quoted here because it will get deleted soon :


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    Mcken says:   
    June 29, 2020 at 9:21 am

    This is the most sorry piece of white guilt writing I’ve ever read. Slavery isn’t exclusive to people of color, it permeated society for millions of years, and literally nobody else has a problem with using those words for hardware. The sorry state of society we’re in that we must need to create our own problems when we don’t want to deal with real problems. How about addressing the rampant gangs that destroyed our cities, or the militant takeover of Seattle. Nope, we’re going to fix the problem by frying electronic devices because no one knows which way they need to be connected. What’s next, are you going to petition BDSM clubs to stop using words master and slave.

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The blogs promoting the "SPI resolution" are censoring people with opposing opinions, somewhat ironic.
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