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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 01, 2020, 09:40:54 am ---It has become a "loyalty test", people are forced to take sides. Either you swallow the kool-aid, or be branded the "enemy".
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As a high profile person who has been on the receiving end of attempted "cancel culture" I can assure everyone it is 100% correct, even in the electronics industry. The only way to avoid it is to have zero opinion on anything, ever, on any platform.
No nuance of opinion is allowed.
Context does not matter.
Rational discussion and debate is not allowed.
Jokes and taking the piss out of identity politics is not allowed.
You are either stridently for "the cause" or you are literally branded the enemy.
And the funny thing is they they will turn on each other without a moment's hesitation. You can be the most outspoken and strident modern SJW with all the right talking points for years. But dare to have one nuanced opinion that "they" don't like, and you are forced to grovel and appologise under threat of "cancellation".
Dare to have a friend or colleague that is against modern identity politics? They'll attack and harraess you to end your relationship/partnership/electronics podcast with that person.
It is straight out bullying and intimidation to appease them and shut up. The entire system is toxic to the core.
A certain electronics podcast that many people have loved for the last decade was almost destroyed because of this culture. But I won't discuss that here.
It is predominately centered around Twitter and Americans though. Avoid Twitter and you avoid 90% of it all.
But now you get organisations that should have no place getting involved in politics feel they have to virtue signal and take action, thus bombarding people who ordinarily didn't care for any of this, into being exposed to this rubbish.
madires:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 01, 2020, 09:40:54 am ---I've been trawling through comments trying to find out if POC have ever expressed discomfort with the terms master/slave. The two I found both said it is stupid and insulting to their intelligence. It really seems to be a campaign by white allies presuming to know what POC think. It has become a "loyalty test", people are forced to take sides. Either you swallow the kool-aid, or be branded the "enemy".
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You can call "white allies presuming to know what POC think" white supremacists. And they also associate slaves with black people, which is racist. May we conclude that the OSHWA is promoting racism and white supremacy? >:D
SerieZ:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 01, 2020, 10:15:54 am ---
--- Quote from: SerieZ on July 01, 2020, 09:54:56 am ---
--- Quote ---The problem with the left is that think every is intelligent and will listen to reason, the right realize that there are not very many intelligent people and so pander to the ignorant masses and win elections.
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You are fitting quite all off the stereotypes as an ex-green party member saying that the left assumes everyone is Intelligent and listens to reason and ending the same sentence with that the masses are Ignorant and vote for the pandering Right without realizing the Irony in that.
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Politics but... there is a general opinion that if people don't appreciate a "rational" argument then they must be stupid. I think all sides have that. However, parties which don't label voters as stupid have generally been more successful.
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It is dogmatic thinking and the root of many evil.
I wish people could just stop throwing blanket statements around like that, especially people who are decent otherwise.
It is not only "Right Bad Left Good" statements - Same goes for statements like "Open Source is a leftist Cult" btw - Decent people need to open their mouth and tell the loonies to fuck off or else you will go the way of the Pirate Party in Germany.
Ignoring the Issue wont make it go away.
John B:
Apropos:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on July 01, 2020, 10:30:13 am ---As a high profile person who has been on the receiving end of attempted "cancel culture" I can assure everyone it is 100% correct....
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What/when/how did this happen? Mind you I'm not on twitter or basically any other social media, so it's quite likely this went totally under my radar.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Simon on July 01, 2020, 10:00:08 am ---In an ideal world you could explain facts to people and they would understand what you are trying to tell them, agree and behave accordingly. But people have ego's and don't like to be wrong. I don't mind being wrong, i will work with the information I have until I am given better information and will be happy to change based on that. Bu most people won't change which is why society changes so slowly and why new things do not take off quickly.
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Unless there is political or social power as the prize and then people and ideas can indeed change very quickly!
It usually doesn't take people long to learn there is social currency and power in appearing to be virtuous and support causes and jumping on bandwagons. In the case of modern identity politics, these people usually don't learn they are right, they don't take the time to reason it out, they simply feel they are right. When you get that dopamine hit and instant reward for virtue signalling, people can change on a dime and be taken advantage of by groups, often to their eventual detriment.
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