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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts

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EEVblog:
Also from:
https://www.oshwa.org/a-resolution-to-redefine-spi-signal-names


--- Quote ---Why are we changing from MOSI/MISO/SS to SDO/SIO/CS?
The electronics industry in particular has been using Master and Slave terminology unabashedly and it needs to stop. It’s unfortunate and embarrassing that our community has gone this long without acknowledging the need to treat all humans with respect. Thankfully, the industry is already making this shift. While many microcontroller and processor manufacturers lag behind, the SDO/SDI terminology is already widely adopted by peripheral manufacturers. Companies like Infineon, Analog Devices, Bosch, TDK, ST, AKM IXYS, Melexis, ROHM and industry groups like the SD Association use the SDO/SDI nomenclature. Additionally, companies like TE.
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Here they are making the mistake thinking that these companies are "making the shift" when in fact they likely aren't.
Take ST for example, they still use Master/Slave in microcontroller datasheets because these are specific SPI peripherals, and people expect that functionality and nomenclature on such a master device like a micro. But they use the more generic "SDO/SDI" on peripheral devices because they can be driven by anything, not just an SPI hardware block. This has been common in the industry for decades, nothing new there at all, and no change that I am aware of because of any movement to deliberately remove master/slave terminology. Happy to be corrected, show me an announcement from ST that says they are changing because of the current pressure.

As is common with these kinds of groups and thinking like this, they like to be deceitful (deliberately or innocently) and assert things as facts, and pretend to speak for the "community".

bd139:
I doubt it'll even register on ST's list of priorities.

Agree with your point about deceit. As I mentioned before they use their marketing skills to look like they have a larger mindshare than they do. Realistically no one sitting there in some back office lab gives a fuck. If someone changes their #define's there will be backlash though.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: pardo-bsso on July 01, 2020, 01:00:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on July 01, 2020, 04:45:38 am ---
--- Quote from: pardo-bsso on June 30, 2020, 10:45:19 pm ---During my first years of university I worked part-time as a taxi dancer (among other related nightly jobs). I grew a very thick skin but which kind of stuff can I claim as offensive to my very own little subculture?

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What's a taxi dancer? Is that an autocorrect of "driver"?

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Fortunately not.

In a nutshell you go to ballrooms and people pay so that you dance with them all the night, laugh at their jokes and show them around other places that a tourist might enjoy.

But sadly, we also had many very well instructed taxi drivers too.

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That sounds like a fun job.  Like an upscale tourist guide?

magic:

--- Quote from: bd139 on July 01, 2020, 09:31:27 am ---I write a fair bit of OSS stuff but the GNU stuff is quite frankly mental. I build and contribute to stuff which might be useful to me. If someone else benefits from it then good for them.
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Okay, I don't know the full extent of your involvement, but just writing some software which meets the definition doesn't already make you a cultist.

Do you write software or articles about the benefits of opening one's sores?
Do you have the OSI logo prominently on your website?
Are your projects certified by the FSF?
Do you believe that all proprietary software is obsolete because Internet randos will inevitably create a better replacement?
Do you need to convince me of that?
How many people have you convinced to open their projects because "enough eyes makes all bugs shallow"?

Imagine I knew people with whom most answers would be 'yes'.


--- Quote from: bd139 on July 01, 2020, 09:31:27 am ---the GNU stuff is quite frankly mental
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;D
But it's a different kind of mental. They do it because they want more free software for themselves, versus brainwashing oneself and then trying to brainwash others that you have the key to solving all the industry's problems.

bd139:

--- Quote from: magic on July 01, 2020, 04:37:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on July 01, 2020, 09:31:27 am ---I write a fair bit of OSS stuff but the GNU stuff is quite frankly mental. I build and contribute to stuff which might be useful to me. If someone else benefits from it then good for them.
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Okay, I don't know the full extent of your involvement, but just writing some software which meets the definition doesn't already make you a cultist.

Do you write software or articles about the benefits of opening one's sores?
Do you have the OSI logo prominently on your website?
Are your projects certified by the FSF?
Do you believe that all proprietary software is obsolete because Internet randos will inevitably create a better replacement?
Do you need to convince me of that?
How many people have you convinced to open their projects because "enough eyes makes all bugs shallow"?

Imagine I knew people with whom most answers would be 'yes'.


--- Quote from: bd139 on July 01, 2020, 09:31:27 am ---the GNU stuff is quite frankly mental
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;D
But it's a different kind of mental. They do it because they want more free software for themselves, versus brainwashing oneself and then trying to brainwash others that you have the key to solving all the industry's problems.

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I simply take what I’ve written and chuck the Apache 2 license on it and sling it out to the world. I’m not a cultist but a pragmatist for sure. I get called all sorts of shit on Reddit regularly by Linux users despite actually using Linux more than them and actually contributing more to numerous projects  :-DD. It’s a hobby of mine pissing off some maintainers as well (Poettering) but that’s purely on technical merit.

The irony of this is I probably do more for race relations or whatever it is called these days by employing people on merit (don’t care past that if you’re a smurf or a furry) than some jumped up dick does waving a bit of cardboard around during BLM and coughing on everyone. This is exactly what the open source community should be doing but they prefer waving bits of cardboard around and coughing on everyone while telling everyone how superior their model is.

The extremists have unconvinced me pretty hard :). As they always do in every area like master slave terminology.

Be excellent to each other and stamp out all extremism.

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