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'Master' and 'slave': Tech terms face scrutiny amid anti-racism efforts
magic:
--- Quote from: Simon on July 01, 2020, 09:09:54 am ---not really, we had a female leader of the conservative right wing party that did not feel the need to make a list of women that she hypothetically would want to see running the country. I don't know why Caroline Lucas who to be fair is generally right about a lot of things felt the need to decide for herself who should make up a hypothetical un-elected government and why she chose to be sexist and only pick women at which point someone took the equally pathetic stance to accuse her or racism for not including any black women at which point the whole hypothetical exercise became real news.
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Gotta look past who is a man or a woman and see the larger context. I don't know how your "conservative" party works, but for the "progressives" out there it typically is a purity spiral - with each passing year, the victims of yesteryear learn their place in the pack and make stage for new even more victimized victims. Those who have issues with it get bullied.
First it was the working men, then the white women, now it's black women, then it will be muslim black women because the atheistic society will be found to disrespect them more than just ordinary black women, then it will be homosexual muslim black women to show that these two can be reconciled, and I don't even dare to guess what could come next - maybe nazi incels for a plot twist? If you play that game and start to think that it really revolves around you and your "group", you lose the game. The goal is not any particular cause, the goal is to solve all causes. Tthe harder ones take priority, sorry.
--- Quote from: Simon on July 01, 2020, 09:09:54 am ---The problem with the left is that think every is intelligent and will listen to reason, the right realize that there are not very many intelligent people and so pander to the ignorant masses and win elections.
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Heh, I'm far right enough that I'm not even sure if I care anymore who will win the next one here. All are just nonsense and pandering to bottom of the barrel voter.
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 01, 2020, 09:40:54 am ---I've been trawling through comments trying to find out if POC have ever expressed discomfort with the terms master/slave. The two I found both said it is stupid and insulting to their intelligence. It really seems to be a campaign by white allies presuming to know what POC think. It has become a "loyalty test", people are forced to take sides. Either you swallow the kool-aid, or be branded the "enemy".
--- Quote --- kentrado 17 hours ago [–]
As a black person, I find this to be pretty racist. The idea that this will appease blacks or is wanted by us is deeply insulting.
How disconnected from black experience can you be that you think this is important or desirable?
It trivializes our very important concerns about police brutality and systematic racism. Do you want to fight against slavery? Then lets campaign to abolish the exception in the 13th amendment.
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I made the additional effort of also reading responses to the post you quoted and here's the first few lines of the top voted one:
--- Quote ---> As a black person, I find this to be pretty racist. The idea that this will appease blacks or is wanted by us is deeply insulting.
White-dominated society deciding to stop casually reinforcing racist ideology and trying to figure out how to do that isn't about appeasing blacks or appealing to them on the level of atomic steps (I suppose the end goal of a society with less pervasive racism is something that probably appeals to most blacks—it certainly does to me personally, but I wasn't elected to speak for the whole race.)
> How disconnected from black experience can you be that you think this is important or desirable?
I think it's pretty racist for you to declare that my experience must not be black enough, as I find it not terribly important in and of itself or, out of context, desirable, but a part of a direction which is both important and desirable.
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Hear me people, I told you the orange forum is the place to go for that stuff 8)
coppice:
--- Quote from: Simon on July 01, 2020, 09:09:54 am ---not really, we had a female leader of the conservative right wing party that did not feel the need to make a list of women that she hypothetically would want to see running the country.
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We also had a female leader of the conservative party who famously drove every other woman out of the cabinet or other significant government or party role.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 01, 2020, 10:12:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on July 01, 2020, 09:09:54 am ---not really, we had a female leader of the conservative right wing party that did not feel the need to make a list of women that she hypothetically would want to see running the country.
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We also had a female leader of the conservative party who famously drove every other woman out of the cabinet or other significant government or party role.
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She only liked women with BALLS! :D
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 01, 2020, 05:56:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on July 01, 2020, 08:34:21 am ---Oh, I didn't know it was the Open Source Hardware Association (OSHWA) doing this too.
https://www.oshwa.org/a-resolution-to-redefine-spi-signal-names
What next, you aren't allowed to get an open hardware certification number if you don't do this?
They say they "encourage" it, but it really only one step away from banning it in project they certify.
Would be interesting to see what happens if someone submitted a project with the terms and they "encouraged" you to remove and you refused.
Their wording is quite forceful:
" it needs to stop."
"It’s unfortunate and embarrassing that our community has gone this long without acknowledging the need to treat all humans with respect."
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Got a project you could submit and see what happens? I don't think I have anything worth releasing as open hardware that I've designed that uses SPI and I don't have any real clout.
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I have no interest in baiting them.
--- Quote ---I find it "unfortunate and embarrassing" that they are trying to shame people for using widely accepted and accurately descriptive terms that have nothing at all to do with human slavery.
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Yes, exactly that. Their wording is very forceful and makes me never want to be involved with them. I don't like being dictated to or coerced, especially when it comes to my speech or usage of terminology. And I suspect many others won't like it either.
But they are free to do whatever they like and will live with any consequences.
james_s:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 01, 2020, 10:12:16 pm ---We also had a female leader of the conservative party who famously drove every other woman out of the cabinet or other significant government or party role.
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My (female) partner works in a very heavily female dominated industry and has on numerous occasions complained that women are "catty" and said that there is so much petty drama. Her words, not mine. Personally I quite like working with women however they've always been rare in tech.
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