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| EEVblog:
Sparkfun are leading the charge on this according to the hackaday article, yet they sell t-shirts with "Master" on them: https://www.sparkfun.com/search/results?term=master |
| Simon:
They think just talking about it will fix it. Actually changing everything is harder than they think. Just look at all the problems in comms standards out there but once out they are out, no going back. |
| magic:
--- Quote from: Raj on July 02, 2020, 05:24:24 am ---Oh wait, I do...The problem isn't that we aren't letting it change it...The problem is they are getting paid to create problems where there are none since all of them have already been solved. --- End quote --- No way that all of America's racism problems have been solved, dude. --- Quote from: Raj on July 02, 2020, 05:24:24 am ---The way American diversity is, I'm surprised why it hasn't fallen yet. --- End quote --- A dirty little secret of America is that merely 50 years ago they were over 80% white and christian. --- Quote from: Raj on July 02, 2020, 05:24:24 am ---"working for racism"? is there any racism left? --- End quote --- 4chan.org :popcorn: --- Quote from: Raj on July 02, 2020, 05:24:24 am ---Meanwhile, most of the electronics are made in countries with real slavery specially China, they might try to hide it but they can't. Even in India, my neighbors own servants who serve them in exchange for using their land/building as a shelter (no salary). If it isn't slavery then what is it? --- End quote --- They don't get it, they don't know it, they don't care. And slavery is not even the real problem, nazis are. If you have that sort of servants or if you earn a living by being some pimp or human trafficker, you clearly are doing it for the money, probably out of some difficult life circumstances and it's not your fault. We will give you Universal Basic Income and you will stop doing it ::) (Or otherwise we will send you to a gulag, but only after all our systemic changes failed to reform you). The problem is the people who oppose social progress. What's their motivation? Why can't they see that our solutions are helpful and are needed? Why can't we build a SYSTEM where oppression doesn't make monetary sense or isn't even possible at all? Logic and science are on our side. Dunno man, but to me it looks like they might be closeted nazis, that's why. And remember: first they come for the blacks, then they come for us. That's the state of young American leftists for you, in one paragraph. Or go to the orange forum and see identical posts from people who work at places like Google. And dead serious, unlike me. |
| donotdespisethesnake:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on July 02, 2020, 06:52:15 am ---It makes me sad when people get so invested in this stuff that they are willing to attack people and destroy relationships over it. Again, usually it's all a one way street. --- End quote --- I think that is a good point. Probably 99% of the responses to renaming master/slave have been negative. So they have united a community, but not in the way they wanted. Although one of the companies was already on my boycott list, I'll be adding the others. I think the blogger here has a good take : https://pappp.net/?p=24661 --- Quote ---Article note: The activist left's (which has, essentially, devolved into a continuous replay of the "Judean peoples front vs. People's Front Of Judea" Monty Python sketch while the actually-in-power capital class rides off with complete victory) tendency to respond to having to no real power by increasingly exercising petty power for media purges (more mud-mask == blackface purges in the feed today, lol), nomenclature battles, and personal harassment, is undermining their ability to ever attain any real power with their bullshit. I don't much care either way about this and the dozen other recent "Master/Slave can only be understood the light of U.S. History" linguistic manipulation stories, but I'd like to live in a country with a functioning healthcare system and infrastructure, and that will require some consolidated power on the left. Social movements live and die on their ability to demonstrate power and restraint, and this shit is demonstrating the lack of both, at a time when all you need to do to be the responsible adult is not be an _obvious_ petty jackass. --- End quote --- To change things you need to be in power, and this sort of radical nonsense alienates voters. Meanwhile the rich stay in power, and because social mobility is so low, the poor and POC alike are stuck at the bottom. Sure, companies will whitewash their marketing [if that word is still allowed?], but in practice try to avoid controversial topics, and behind the scenes enact no real change. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/vice-urges-advertisers-stop-blocking-black-lives-matter-related-keywords-n1232103 --- Quote ---In one instance, an ad agency “representing a large entertainment corporation” sent Vice a blocklist that included “Black people” and “Black Lives Matter,” according to Cooke. She didn’t identify the company but said “it was sent the very same week that the corporation issued a statement in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.” --- End quote --- |
| magic:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 02, 2020, 08:57:56 am ---I think that is a good point. Probably 99% of the responses to renaming master/slave have been negative. --- End quote --- You see what you want to see. The Hackaday comments section linked a few days ago is like a 50:50 back-and-forth between the two camps. --- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on July 02, 2020, 08:57:56 am ---To change things you need to be in power, and this sort of radical nonsense alienates voters. --- End quote --- Don't worry about politicians finding voters. That's what they do for a living. See the point above :) edit Just to have some numbers, the first twenty names that appear in Hackaday comments, default sorting order (chronologically?) for me at the moment: --- Quote ---9 against the resolution: Vexar, Jan Ciger, fonz, everlastingphelps, Will, Luke, Alex Rossie, a Jaded Hobo, Ren 8 in favor of the resolution: mark, Chris Combs, the_3d6, sid1950, Andy Clark, Sykobee, Mike Szczys, Duckula 3 not clear: Dennis (maybe in favor) J (a truly Zen nitpicker) Kyle K (not sure) --- End quote --- |
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