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Maximum slew rate typically found in music/voice
metebalci:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 07:16:22 am ---The concept of "degregation of fidelity" misses the elephant in the room.
Consider recording an orchestra in a concert hall. Where exactly should the microphones be placed? Conductor's podium? First row of the audience? Centre, right left? Centre of the audience? With or without a complete audience?
The concept of a single place for the microphones is, of course, too simplistic. But it does highlight the point that there cannot be a single "correct" sound - it is all a choice made by the recording engineer.
Back when I had ears and CDs were new, I and a friend did A-B comparisons between a CD and vinyl. His setup was good, but not audiophool. We could tell a difference, but we could not tell which was which nor which was better.
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What about binaural recording ? :)
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: metebalci on September 22, 2023, 07:25:22 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 07:16:22 am ---The concept of "degregation of fidelity" misses the elephant in the room.
Consider recording an orchestra in a concert hall. Where exactly should the microphones be placed? Conductor's podium? First row of the audience? Centre, right left? Centre of the audience? With or without a complete audience?
The concept of a single place for the microphones is, of course, too simplistic. But it does highlight the point that there cannot be a single "correct" sound - it is all a choice made by the recording engineer.
Back when I had ears and CDs were new, I and a friend did A-B comparisons between a CD and vinyl. His setup was good, but not audiophool. We could tell a difference, but we could not tell which was which nor which was better.
--- End quote ---
What about binaural recording ? :)
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Question in the second paragraph: where exactly would you put the dummy head?
metebalci:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 08:37:52 am ---
--- Quote from: metebalci on September 22, 2023, 07:25:22 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 07:16:22 am ---The concept of "degregation of fidelity" misses the elephant in the room.
Consider recording an orchestra in a concert hall. Where exactly should the microphones be placed? Conductor's podium? First row of the audience? Centre, right left? Centre of the audience? With or without a complete audience?
The concept of a single place for the microphones is, of course, too simplistic. But it does highlight the point that there cannot be a single "correct" sound - it is all a choice made by the recording engineer.
Back when I had ears and CDs were new, I and a friend did A-B comparisons between a CD and vinyl. His setup was good, but not audiophool. We could tell a difference, but we could not tell which was which nor which was better.
--- End quote ---
What about binaural recording ? :)
--- End quote ---
Question in the second paragraph: where exactly would you put the dummy head?
--- End quote ---
Where I would be sitting. I understand the difficulties, I was just trying to say for some situations I think the answer is simple but particularly for large environments yes I agree. I am actually amazed how good they are recording and mixing.
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: metebalci on September 22, 2023, 11:05:57 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 08:37:52 am ---
--- Quote from: metebalci on September 22, 2023, 07:25:22 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 07:16:22 am ---The concept of "degregation of fidelity" misses the elephant in the room.
Consider recording an orchestra in a concert hall. Where exactly should the microphones be placed? Conductor's podium? First row of the audience? Centre, right left? Centre of the audience? With or without a complete audience?
The concept of a single place for the microphones is, of course, too simplistic. But it does highlight the point that there cannot be a single "correct" sound - it is all a choice made by the recording engineer.
Back when I had ears and CDs were new, I and a friend did A-B comparisons between a CD and vinyl. His setup was good, but not audiophool. We could tell a difference, but we could not tell which was which nor which was better.
--- End quote ---
What about binaural recording ? :)
--- End quote ---
Question in the second paragraph: where exactly would you put the dummy head?
--- End quote ---
Where I would be sitting. I understand the difficulties, I was just trying to say for some situations I think the answer is simple but particularly for large environments yes I agree. I am actually amazed how good they are recording and mixing.
--- End quote ---
And where would you be sitting? Why there and why not elsewhere?
Depending on where you are sitting, you will hear the music differently. Which "different" is "right", and why are the other positions "not right"?
metebalci:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 11:53:58 am ---
--- Quote from: metebalci on September 22, 2023, 11:05:57 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 08:37:52 am ---
--- Quote from: metebalci on September 22, 2023, 07:25:22 am ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2023, 07:16:22 am ---The concept of "degregation of fidelity" misses the elephant in the room.
Consider recording an orchestra in a concert hall. Where exactly should the microphones be placed? Conductor's podium? First row of the audience? Centre, right left? Centre of the audience? With or without a complete audience?
The concept of a single place for the microphones is, of course, too simplistic. But it does highlight the point that there cannot be a single "correct" sound - it is all a choice made by the recording engineer.
Back when I had ears and CDs were new, I and a friend did A-B comparisons between a CD and vinyl. His setup was good, but not audiophool. We could tell a difference, but we could not tell which was which nor which was better.
--- End quote ---
What about binaural recording ? :)
--- End quote ---
Question in the second paragraph: where exactly would you put the dummy head?
--- End quote ---
Where I would be sitting. I understand the difficulties, I was just trying to say for some situations I think the answer is simple but particularly for large environments yes I agree. I am actually amazed how good they are recording and mixing.
--- End quote ---
And where would you be sitting? Why there and why not elsewhere?
Depending on where you are sitting, you will hear the music differently. Which "different" is "right", and why are the other positions "not right"?
--- End quote ---
I am not talking about subjective difference (recording each instrument individually and creating a virtual mix for each location is another topic), naturally each seat in a concert hall can be different. I hardly remember the lectures and there are probably changes but a hall is probably optimized acoustically for certain locations, at least these are the points measurements are probably made. I guess in any environment even on a street, one would want to face the sound source to not have a major imbalance and want to be in a proper distance depending on the volume. I dont think finding a reasonably proper location is a question here. Just putting a dummy head there does not resolve all issues as far as I know, that is a bigger problem, if not binaural records would be much more common. However, binaural records are much better at stereo imaging at least to my experience, which is not surprising since all others are to some extent is mixed for an artificial space (since as you said for a large space there are a lot of mono/stereo different types of microphones). As far as I remember, it is also not only hearing from two ears, but also movements of head improves the subjective experience, that is partially also why spatial audio wants head tracking (eg airpods).
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