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Maytag is so cheap that they can't even install some circuit protection.
james_s:
--- Quote from: floobydust on June 04, 2023, 07:42:17 pm ---It was a pretty hot arc to melt and notch out the steel cover :o
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It's going to be on a 30-50 amp circuit, that's about the range used for arc welding sheetmetal.
floobydust:
--- Quote from: schmitt trigger on June 04, 2023, 10:14:54 pm ---Its a race to the bottom which the Asian brands, regardless of the products they manufacture, always seem to win.
Eventually, the Western brands give up and either close the factories and sell their assets. The Asian brands sweep the ashes and from then on they have the market for themselves.
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I think it's worse - Korea and china- Samsung, LG, Daewoo have been dumping appliances for over a decade. Dumping margin at least 44% for washing machines.
Whirlpool petitioned the U.S. International Trade Commission and won, getting 20% tariffs and duties imposed for washing machines. TV's, refrigerators are also on the anti-dumping list.
On the other hand, prices went up and is it keeping the American labour and factories rolling, moving production out of Mexico to some extent. A lot of politics.
Most Whirlpool parts are made in china anyway, so they'll never compete on hardware cost. Korean manufacturers are hard to get parts and service manuals, as well as being real *ssholes with warranty claims and recalls.
Seekonk:
I wanted a dishwasher for my off grid camp. At town recycling someone was about to dump one that looke brand new. Guy said it was from an apartment that was hit by lightning so no warranty. I said load it in my truck. It was sure hit by lightning! All the protection components were smoked. But, it protected the electronics and I just jumpered a wire past those burned parts. Point is, why add protection? Nobody is going to fix it when it goes bad.
I got a gas stove for my camp. Can't use the oven. That damn igniter uses 400W and it has to be on all the time. I don't have that much power to spare!
coppercone2:
uhh because lighting is a analog event that can range in severity from soft error to exploded walls :wtf:
if you know anything about it you know that there is a reasonable benefit to protection... you are using the worst case as if it was the only case
I guess you don't like air bags and car bumpers either, because its a waste of money since it sometimes gets totaled? right on in back to 1930
james_s:
--- Quote from: Seekonk on June 06, 2023, 12:11:48 am ---I wanted a dishwasher for my off grid camp. At town recycling someone was about to dump one that looke brand new. Guy said it was from an apartment that was hit by lightning so no warranty. I said load it in my truck. It was sure hit by lightning! All the protection components were smoked. But, it protected the electronics and I just jumpered a wire past those burned parts. Point is, why add protection? Nobody is going to fix it when it goes bad.
I got a gas stove for my camp. Can't use the oven. That damn igniter uses 400W and it has to be on all the time. I don't have that much power to spare!
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I did almost the same thing, I picked up a dishwasher from a rural area that had suffered a lightning strike, the fuse had exploded and all that was left was a charred spot on the PCB. The input protection MOV had also exploded and the thermal fuse in the transformer primary was blown. I hacked in a new thermal fuse and replaced the line fuse and gave the dishwasher to my grandmother, it was still working about a decade later when she passed away.
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