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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2018, 07:53:48 pm »
If you refer to that Philips type of screw head and bit, then the slip you are faced is the engineered feature of that particular head. The knowledge I recall reading in my journeys of the prehistoric industrial handbooks lalala world is that it was designed to slip out in certain torque to prevent snapped screws in early mass production environments.

To be noted that I can not give a reference, it have been a years I did come by that information and I can't recall where (so I don't even not try to find it from thousands of pages of library and/or internet)


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Busted screw head when unscrewing, made by myself.  >:(

No, don't get me wrong, I have OCD when it comes to screw driving, ALWAYS use the "right" screw driver head with the exact size at the screw head type. And always try really hard to maintain it straight and pressed down firmly to the screw head like I can feel the driver was gripping it hard, no loosey metal to metal contact.

Still, at some bad conditions where the screw was secured/locked so hard that really difficult to turn, and busted as the driver's metal won as its harder.  :palm:
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2018, 07:57:58 pm »
1. Stuck fasteners, the smaller the worse EDIT: Yes, that kind of crap! ^  >:(
2. Unexpected crumbly bits that you think are sturdy till they go crunch (or crumble randomly)
3. Things that have come loose that are supposed to be rigid but have bizarre, hidden, or non-obvious means of attachmen
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2018, 08:08:17 pm »
If you refer to that Philips type of screw head and bit, then the slip you are faced is the engineered feature of that particular head. The knowledge I recall reading in my journeys of the prehistoric industrial handbooks lalala world is that it was designed to slip out in certain torque to prevent snapped screws in early mass production environments.

To be noted that I can not give a reference, it have been a years I did come by that information and I can't recall where (so I don't even not try to find it from thousands of pages of library and/or internet)

Sure, I understand what you mean, but that is in academical world, not in real world.  :P

Imagine you're tasked to remove that screw, that probably rusted inside too and the rust sort of bonded into the thread insert below, and at the plate like the example photo, and that rusted plate is secured at a really "fragile" old plastic as it aged enough.

If you break or even alter that plastic like deforming it, you're screwed and say no paycheck for this month.  >:D

Now, use heat ? The plastic is not high temp type, use the cool and slick "impact" driver  :palm: ... nah .. you can imagine the rest.

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2018, 08:27:23 pm »
I took the recipe to be related to the squeaky cabinet, but you're probably right that it wasn't.

You should give a dry lubricant like graphite powder. The sell it as a lock lubricant, but it works for plastics too, and won't cause any adverse reactions as it's basically carbon.

The easiest source for graphite is a nice soft pencil, given that most people have one somewhere around the house. Just scribble on the offending surface.

One of my mother's cure-alls for sticking and squeaking around the house (especially wood on wood) was to lubricate with paraffin wax by rubbing with a simple white household candle.

For plastic or rubber most auto parts stores sell aerosols of a lubricant specifically for rubber and plastic and I've had good results with these.
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2018, 08:30:32 pm »
What mechanical phenomena is your pet peave?

1. The ability of a small screw, washer or component to travel at least 6ft laterally after having been dropped from a height of about 3ft  >:(

2. The distance of which is directly proportional to the availability of a replacement part.

3. In the direction of the most poorly lite area.

4. And under a tight opening under a heavy & large furniture.  :-DD

5. With the cat, dog, or a small child 'helping' you find it.
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2018, 09:31:35 pm »
You can't replace furniture because you rent?
It's built in to the bathroom, above the sink.  The squeaky part is at the bottom, in a recess, which also collects any water that drips down from the mirrored door. (It does have a hole, so it won't sit there.) There is no hinge per se, just a metallic flat bottom, a metallic flange with a hole short distance above, and a thick plastic pin that goes through; the bottom flat contact between the pin (about 10mm diameter) and the painted metallic surface is what squeaks.  I could add a bit of grease (something like white vaseline) every week or so, but I just hate to think of a tiny cupboard as a device that needs weekly maintenance to function without annoying noises. I'd like to try Teflon tape, the very slick surface type, if I can find some.

Replacing the cupboard is a big hassle, as the walls have a vapor barrier. So, no holes, and if any are made, they must be made to not allow water or vapor ingress into the wall.  I also cannot drill any kind of holes to the outer walls, and this being a corner apartment, that's basically half of all walls here, for a roughly similar reason. This is in Finland, with a 50 degree Celsius outside temperature swing between the seasons.

[Stupid new building methods with thin films and active air pumps keeping structures dry. The same or better energy efficiency could be had by just using say 500mm of concrete and stone. Not kidding: hundred-year old apartment buildings with high ceilings and thick walls outperform new buildings in their energy efficiency here. But no, we save money, because concrete is so expensive and passé, and use all these new methods that give the house an expected twenty-five-year lifespan. Oops, wrong thread. Sorry!]

You should give a dry lubricant like graphite powder.
Good idea. For my wooden tables and surfaces, I use beeswax and mineral oil mix that I made myself. No, I'm not paranoid; I still eat canned stuff (their lining still contain BPA here). I just like the feel of wood, the ease of maintenance, and the easily repaired but tougher surface than just oiling would yield. And it is easy enough for a silly bugger like me to do.

For plastic or rubber most auto parts stores sell aerosols of a lubricant specifically for rubber and plastic and I've had good results with these.
Yup; the most annoying part of the problem is that I don't know exactly what the surfaces are.  The paint could be enamel, or it could be acrylic.  The plastic could be anything; it mostly feels like cheap ABS.  Put the wrong stuff there that strips the paint off, or rusts the metal (whatever it is) underneath, and I need to go through the entire hassle of replacing the cupboard.

Which reminds me: You know the old-style paper-backed painters tape? It's absolutely the worst you can use for surfaces, because if you forget it, the glue will leech off from the paper backing, and somehow fuse with the surface itself, and will never ever come off.  Brown packing tape does the same.  I don't know if the "new-fangled" blue more plasticky type is better in that regard.
 

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2018, 09:44:54 pm »
What mechanical phenomena is your pet peave?

1. The ability of a small screw, washer or component to travel at least 6ft laterally after having been dropped from a height of about 3ft  >:(

2. The distance of which is directly proportional to the availability of a replacement part.

3. In the direction of the most poorly lite area.

4. And under a tight opening under a heavy & large furniture.  :-DD

5. With the cat, dog, or a small child 'helping' you find it.

6 and to a difficult-to-sweep area, which of course will be filled with lint and dust.
 

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2018, 09:47:56 pm »
At least the law of physics are consistent.
 

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2018, 09:49:55 pm »
At least the law of physics Murphy are consistent.

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2018, 10:02:25 pm »
What mechanical phenomena is your pet peave?

1. The ability of a small screw, washer or component to travel at least 6ft laterally after having been dropped from a height of about 3ft  >:(

2. The distance of which is directly proportional to the availability of a replacement part.

3. In the direction of the most poorly lite area.

4. And under a tight opening under a heavy & large furniture.  :-DD

5. With the cat, dog, or a small child 'helping' you find it.

6 and to a difficult-to-sweep area, which of course will be filled with lint and dust.
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2018, 10:19:29 pm »

Random image from Google.

Busted screw head when unscrewing, made by myself.  >:(

No, don't get me wrong, I have OCD when it comes to screw driving, ALWAYS use the "right" screw driver head with the exact size at the screw head type. And always try really hard to maintain it straight and pressed down firmly to the screw head like I can feel the driver was gripping it hard, no loosey metal to metal contact.

Still, at some bad conditions where the screw was secured/locked so hard that really difficult to turn, and busted as the driver's metal won as its harder.  :palm:
The good ol' Yankee spanner (hammer) will save you from most fastener tangles you get into believe it or not.  :P
Knowing when and how to apply it is the trick/secret.
Most fasteners that have been in place for a period of time form an electrolysis bond between the threads and/or the fastener head and these must broken for straightforward/easy removal.
If dissimilar metals, thermal cycling or environmental conditions are likely to affect the fastening then anti-seize compounds need be applied at the time of assembly.
Products like Coppercote or equivalent nickel based compounds are your friend.

Heat can be of use but again knowing how and when to apply it is the trick/secret.
The most useful source is TIG that can be applied very precisely and held on long enough to get good 'soakage' without affecting surrounding parts unduly.


My #1 pet hate is flush snapped studs/bolts, especially when they're Grade 8 or harder.  :rant:
#2 broken conductors due to poor strain/bending relief.  :scared:
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2018, 10:39:12 pm »
#2 broken conductors due to poor strain/bending relief.  :scared:

I specify very explicitly in the install instructions I write things like "If you need to bend the ring terminal connections only do so once." Still happens, but at least I can feel better about myself for warning them.

Related pet peeve is people who crimp connectors twice. I can't seem to convince them that they are bowing the metal away from the wire with the second crimp. I mean the connectors are like a cent each, if the first crimp doesn't seem good just grab a new connector and redo it.
 

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2018, 12:30:44 am »
Some college or university did a test and found that a mix of acetone and vegetable oil made a phenomenal penetrating lubricant. Use 30% acetone and it is better than the best commercially available penetrating oil.

https://www.engineeringforchange.org/news/how-to-make-penetrating-oil/
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2018, 01:50:50 am »
Some college or university did a test and found that a mix of acetone and vegetable oil made a phenomenal penetrating lubricant. Use 30% acetone and it is better than the best commercially available penetrating oil.

https://www.engineeringforchange.org/news/how-to-make-penetrating-oil/
Sounds like something for AvE to test and get further data on!

You've missed the boat (almost, he tried an acetone and ATF mixture):

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2018, 03:04:12 am »
Why, oh why, do spectacle makers use screws as hinge pins?
A moment's reflection would make it obvious that, over time, they will come unstuck, fall to the floor & skitter away, never to be found.

Another "pet hate" is hinges & latches that rely upon the flexibility & resilience of plastic.
They work for a little while, then all the "flex" disappears.
 

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2018, 07:49:01 am »
We can also add manufacturers who use half a dozen different sizes of screw when assembling their product, I'm looking at you Elecraft and Apple. Find one or two useful screw sizes then design around them, please.
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2018, 08:29:16 am »
I have a long beard. From the frequency with which the roller wheel axles of my chair get jammed up with beard hair, you'd think I was a Wookiee, or Yeti or something.

The pain of clearing out small fractured pieces of 0.5mm lead from the clutch mechanism of engineer's pencils.

Cleaning small drops of dried food liquids off keyboards and LCD screens.

How so many varieties of range selection knobs and pots go stiff as the original grease ages.

In any volume of space containing both test leads and pliers/cutters, pulling on the test leads will ALWAYS involve the pliers and leads getting in some kind of kinky sexual entanglement. Sometimes resulting in cut leads.

Letting go of the loose end of wire on a reel. Resulting in many, many turns of the wire unwinding enough to be loose and entangled.

The dust that accumulates behind desk monitors.

Shifter spanners that do more shifting than spannering. Always too loose or too tight for the nut.

Oil creep.

Having to regularly clean up machining swarf off everything in the vicinity of the lathe/mill/drill press.

Walking sharp bits of swarf into other rooms on your shoes, then treading on them in bare feet.

PC case bits that start vibrating noisily in sync with the beat between different hard disk spin rates.

Mains cord tangles.

Trying to find the right allen key for some obscure size grub screw, in a big box of loose allen keys. (I'm actually pretty good at this.)

Wanting to use metric thread bolts for a project, but finding you only have the right length in Imperial, and you want to use those buggers up and be done with them. But then having to buy more to match the ones you already used.

The way workshops and storage space are always some small fraction of a desirable size.
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2018, 12:55:47 pm »
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Trying to find the right allen key for some obscure size grub screw, in a big box of loose allen keys. (I'm actually pretty good at this.)

Then they jam and strip... >:D
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« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2018, 01:35:45 pm »
Another "pet hate" is hinges & latches that rely upon the flexibility & resilience of plastic.

Known in the trade as a "living hinge". And, no, I don't know why.
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2018, 03:47:22 pm »
I took the recipe to be related to the squeaky cabinet, but you're probably right that it wasn't.

You should give a dry lubricant like graphite powder. The sell it as a lock lubricant, but it works for plastics too, and won't cause any adverse reactions as it's basically carbon.

Best option for hinges in humid environment  or when in contact with water is so called Solidol grease you can even use that thing underwater, no idea if you can still buy it, I'm still using USSR stock.
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« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2018, 05:18:40 pm »
Plastics that lose their plasticity prematurely that crack, break and crumble; usually at the most inopportune time.
 
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« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2018, 05:58:39 pm »
Chemistry is just mechanical physics on a tiny scale. ;D
 

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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2018, 09:52:33 pm »
What mechanical phenomena is your pet peave?

1. The ability of a small screw, washer or component to travel at least 6ft laterally after having been dropped from a height of about 3ft  >:(

2. The distance of which is directly proportional to the availability of a replacement part.

6 ft?  Not even close.  I think they go out the door of the office, across the yard and into the neighbor's yard.
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Re: mechanical phenomena that annoy you
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2018, 12:19:04 am »
PARASITIC CAPACITANCE AND INDUCTANCE.

Nothing annoy me more than those two.

Not exactly a mechanical phenomenon though, eh?
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