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| José.jmaacc:
fake medical grade gloves, masks and hand sanitizer. Fake anti viral medication, and other drugs. Now imagine free access to firmware that allows perfect UI clones imo , this time its best to cross thingers james_s. There would be no need if only theory of operation, functional validation and control were published, after all engineers will most likely have to use different hardware, parts in these plans can not be purchased , however they can be cloned! |
| Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: José.jmaacc on April 02, 2020, 02:25:29 am ---aren't you guys slightly worried that the sharing of all this information might create clones that don't work properly and can NOT be identified as clones? It can result in both genuine and clones to be ALL removed from medical centers. --- End quote --- No. |
| SiliconWizard:
Don't worry too much, as the chances of a cloned device (or any non-approved device) making it to intensive care units of hospitals are close to zero anyway. Looks like many have no clue how purchases of medical devices are handled in hospitals these days. Be thankful for that too. Also looks like many have no clue what certification of medical devices entails. The design itself is only a small part of it. The whole organization of the manufacturer matters too, and production is a BIG part of it, so even if you had the exact design of an approved medical device, you wouldn't be able to manufacture it while keeping the certification unless you have proven your company can, which is a lengthy process. Be also thankful for this as getting it wrong is extremely easy. |
| james_s:
I think we'll see a lot of rules and regulations being short-circuited as the crisis unfolds and I'm perfectly ok with that. If we end up with tens of thousands of people dying while the gears of bureaucracy slowly turn and workable lifesaving machines sit waiting that is going to create an entirely new issue. I don't give a damn about regulations right now, we don't have the luxury of worrying about that, during a situation like we have unfolding the normal rules no longer apply, people are getting creative out of necessity. Already we have hospitals buying supplies on ebay, taking donations from companies and private individuals, doctors coming up with "MacGyver" solutions to connect multiple patients to ventilators designed for one person. PPEs are being manufactured already by all sorts of companies and individuals as hospitals have been doing things that would *never* fly during normal times like washing and reusing disposable items. This morning I read some unrelated company was repairing broken ventilators for hospitals in I think it was California. Having repaired a lot of veterinary medical equipment (which in many cases is identical to human equipment sans the red tape) it has occurred to me that I could do something like that if I found myself needing employment. |
| rgarito:
--- Quote from: tom66 on April 02, 2020, 07:01:28 am ---At least reading the source code doesn't make me feel so bad about some of my messy code. This is medical device software with comments mixed in French and English, global variables everywhere (with no management over who reads or writes what), mixed tab and space use, spelling errors and undocumented constants. But I agree it's pretty cool that they've now released the source, I'd say you pretty much have everything you need. Sourcing that old ST processor will probably be the hardest part. --- End quote --- if you saw the "professional" code I work on daily for one of the large well known IT firms, you'd laugh. It's an absolute NIGHTMARE. Yet it runs about half the planet... |
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