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electrodacus:

--- Quote from: IanB on December 28, 2021, 12:33:43 am ---That's still the wrong answer.

If you cannot answer a simple question like this one, which almost anyone else on the planet would know how to answer, then continuing the debate in this thread is rather pointless, wouldn't you agree?

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You think it is the wrong answer but that is not the case.  And not sure why you say that I did not answered ?
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on December 28, 2021, 12:26:14 am ---
--- Quote from: IanB on December 28, 2021, 12:23:38 am ---Your reply is a red herring. Swimming in a river has nothing to do with my question.

Let me ask you again: what would you say if someone showed you a demonstration of a vehicle moving directly against the wind, powered by the wind, with no energy storage?

It's a very simple question. It doesn't involve rivers, or swimming, or any bullshit like that.

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My question is super relevant but you likely do not understand what air is.
And as already answer no vehicle powered only by wind can go directly upwind without energy storage.

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This guy reminds me of Andrea Rossi, the cold fusion guy who claims to have a device that will generate more heat than the amount of energy added electrically.  He is never direct with anyone, only giving out the information he wants to give out and never letting anyone actually have access to the device. 

ED never answers a question directly, only answering the parts he wants and trying to steer the discussion away from the points he can't successfully discuss. 

I guess there really is no point in trying to reason with someone who doesn't properly understand that energy is a simple scalar quantity like distance and power is a rate wrt time like speed. 
electrodacus:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on December 28, 2021, 12:39:36 am ---Can't believe this. Are you afraid that he'll actually produce the goods and show you? Why else wouldn't jump at this and say "Alright, show me then"?

Gosh, he hasn't even asked you to renounce your stated opinion on stuff, just asking what you'd say. Of course, after 1000 posts we know jolly well that if he did manage to demonstrate this you would still deny it in some way, probably by some distraction technique like changing the subject or introducing a strawman or similar :(

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Why will I be afraid ? There are many examples he can show and claim they do not use energy storage when they are but he can not understand that.
Is the same like saying the direct upwind version of blackbird is not using energy storage when I know it is using energy storage. What good will a link to the upwind version of blackbird do.
PlainName:

--- Quote ---You think it is the wrong answer but that is not the case.  And not sure why you say that I did not answered ?
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You stopped answering my questions just when it was leading to something interesting. You're afraid that you might be wrong and wiggle out of things if they look like showing that.
PlainName:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on December 28, 2021, 12:43:08 am ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on December 28, 2021, 12:39:36 am ---Can't believe this. Are you afraid that he'll actually produce the goods and show you? Why else wouldn't jump at this and say "Alright, show me then"?

Gosh, he hasn't even asked you to renounce your stated opinion on stuff, just asking what you'd say. Of course, after 1000 posts we know jolly well that if he did manage to demonstrate this you would still deny it in some way, probably by some distraction technique like changing the subject or introducing a strawman or similar :(

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Why will I be afraid ? There are many examples he can show and claim they do not use energy storage when they are but he can not understand that.
Is the same like saying the direct upwind version of blackbird is not using energy storage when I know it is using energy storage. What good will a link to the upwind version of blackbird do.

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Well what do you have to lose then? Call his bluff, why don't you!
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