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Alex Eisenhut:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on August 31, 2021, 09:47:15 pm ---
A person on a treadmill is not between two separate mediums at the same time unless it has a foot on treadmill and one on the ground.

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That's not what I asked. Which way will you fall or run if a treadmill starts, or a carpet is pulled under you? Then we can add your separate mediums and being between dimensions or whatever.

You're in Time Cube territory now. You're not even making sense in your own problem space.

electrodacus:

--- Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on August 31, 2021, 09:58:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: electrodacus on August 31, 2021, 09:47:15 pm ---
A person on a treadmill is not between two separate mediums at the same time unless it has a foot on treadmill and one on the ground.

--- End quote ---

That's not what I asked. Which way will you fall or run if a treadmill starts, or a carpet is pulled under you? Then we can add your separate mediums and being between dimensions or whatever.

You're in Time Cube territory now. You're not even making sense in your own problem space.

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Make a test. That is my best advice if you think there is no difference between a treadmill and a turned OFF and dragged treadmill.
It is not even a small difference it is a huge difference.
The vehicle in my diagram can not move left to right on a running treadmill but it can easily do so on a turned OFF treadmill that is pushed towards the vehicle with what the piece of paper in that video and others represents and is also the same with a flipped vehicle where motor wheel is in front on the generator wheel. 



Let me ask you this.  If you turn a bicycle upside-down so seat touches the ground and you rotate one of the wheels. Is the wheel moving relative to the ground ? Hope you will say no.  Then if you have a non rotating wheel on the bicycle but instead you push the bicycle (still upside-down). Is now the wheel moving relative to the ground ?
Can you consider this two cases exactly the same ?

Alex Eisenhut:
Which way will you run when a treadmill starts? Which way will you run if someone pulls a rug from under you in the same direction?

Stop avoiding the question, stop making up weird scenarios, stop prevaricating.

Stick to the question as presented.

electrodacus:

--- Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on September 01, 2021, 02:19:04 am ---Which way will you run when a treadmill starts? Which way will you run if someone pulls a rug from under you in the same direction?

Stop avoiding the question, stop making up weird scenarios, stop prevaricating.

Stick to the question as presented.

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The rug is pulled at constant speed and I'm siting on it and I can just relax. On a treadmill at constant speed I still need to burn plenty of calories.

There are no weird scenarios is just you (most of you) not able to understand there is a big difference between a treadmill and that rug.
You just need to do your own experiment and even if you do not understand why it happens you will see the big difference.
So just build the experiment as it is in my diagram using a treadmill and and do not make modifications and/or replacements.
My diagram is perfect analogy to the treadmill propeller cart experiment and shows that without energy storage the vehicle can not move from left to right.

IanB:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on September 01, 2021, 05:21:50 am ---The rug is pulled at constant speed and I'm siting on it and I can just relax. On a treadmill at constant speed I still need to burn plenty of calories.
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Here is someone standing on a treadmill, feeling very relaxed, and not burning any calories:

https://youtu.be/GvfF4TeXz7U


--- Quote ---There are no weird scenarios is just you (most of you) (all of us) not able to understand there is a big difference between a treadmill and that rug.
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There, fixed that for you.

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