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bdunham7:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on December 21, 2021, 04:57:43 am ---Power is just the rate at which energy is converted to another form so it is not containing time.

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Alright, can you define the term 'rate' then?
electrodacus:

--- Quote from: bdunham7 on December 21, 2021, 05:00:58 am ---
--- Quote from: electrodacus on December 21, 2021, 04:57:43 am ---Power is just the rate at which energy is converted to another form so it is not containing time.

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Alright, can you define the term 'rate' then?

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The word rate should be self explanatory not sure if I can define that better for you but it has nothing to do with time.

I can give you two examples
10W applied for 1ms is not the same as 10W applied for 5s

First case      10W for 1ms means 0.01Ws
Second case 10W for 5s    means 50Ws
Notice that without mentioning time you do not know how much work you can do with a power of 10W.
So if I say a brake power of 10W was applied to vehicle your only information is that vehicle will slow down at that rate of 10W but that is all you know.
If I say a brake energy of 10Ws was applied then you know the new speed of the vehicle since something happened, the kinetic energy was reduced by 10Ws

If you understand something else or do not agree with my examples let me know. But from your earlier questions I did not had the feeling you understand the difference between power and energy.
bdunham7:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on December 21, 2021, 05:14:35 am ---The word rate should be self explanatory not sure if I can define that better for you but it has nothing to do with time.

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It isn't a good sign when you can't define the terms that you use. 

per Merriam-Webster

Definition of rate (Entry 1 of 3)
1a: a quantity, amount, or degree of something measured per unit of something else

You said 'power is just the rate.....'

So, power is energy measured per unit of......??

Some of the things you come up with are weird and non-standard, but not necessarily wrong.  Like this example I suppose.  Others are just plain wrong.  But in all cases your reasoning is murky and occasionally incoherent.  I  understand power, energy, Newtons laws and all the rest quite well, thanks.  I'm going to finally give up on you.
msuffidy:
No really, I am not sure what is going on here,but in general, this shape somehow slows down other air around the craft and thus converts this energy into a greater speed for the craft. So conservation is retained as the other air is slowed down. This could have to do with a strong negative energy source against the positive one, caused by the positive one.
electrodacus:

--- Quote from: bdunham7 on December 21, 2021, 05:28:53 am ---

So, power is energy measured per unit of......??


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It is if I was to define force as impulse per unit of time. Is this making sense to you ?
Force has nothing to do with time same as power has nothing to do with time.


Power is the rate at which work is performed. Energy is the ability to do work and not power.
I will never define power as something related to energy just the other way around where Energy is power times time.
So energy contains time while power is not since is just the rate at witch work is done.
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