PCB advertisement fail

[eTobey]

That one i find quite funny:


I wasnt going to order anyway, but wanted some information. I have been customer at JLCPCB, but they literally said to a complaint: "Your PCB is in spec, just look at the specs on our chinese site". This spec of tolerance was never stated on the english site, and they did not even refund a single dollar of my 300$ order... 

[Ranayna]

Rival companies hijacking certain keywords to place their ads above the actual results is nothing new.
It's one of the more annoying advertisement tricks.

[NiHaoMike]

Good reason to ditch Google search, it has been garbage for years.

[tooki]

Good reason to ditch Google search, it has been garbage for years.

But everything else is even worse at actually finding things.

I tried changing my default search engine for nearly 2 years (trying various alternatives) but recently ended that experiment, since I ended up needing to repeat the search on Google probably 2/3 of the time.

The others do fine for things like finding the website for a particular company. But for anything even remotely deeper than that, they just fail.


It is borderline criminal what Google’s new marketing-led management has done to their core search, simply because there is no alternative. It’s not even like YouTube where you can choose to pay to get rid of ads. They compromised search and that’s that. 

[Siwastaja]

I tried changing my default search engine for nearly 2 years (trying various alternatives) but recently ended that experiment, since I ended up needing to repeat the search on Google probably 2/3 of the time.

Quoted for truth. But weirdest thing is that Google's search is utter and total crap for finding anything useful (except those company front pages you mention) - yet others are still even worse, and by a large margin!

It's not surprising at all ChatGPT is so popular for "asking questions". It has replaced what people used Google for 25 years ago.

[NiHaoMike]

I find DuckDuckGo to be better.

[tooki]

I tried changing my default search engine for nearly 2 years (trying various alternatives) but recently ended that experiment, since I ended up needing to repeat the search on Google probably 2/3 of the time.

Quoted for truth. But weirdest thing is that Google's search is utter and total crap for finding anything useful (except those company front pages you mention) - yet others are still even worse, and by a large margin!

Exactly. Google was way, way better 10-20 years ago. It’s a bit of a travesty that nobody else has managed to make anything good.

I do recognize that search engines are also victims of ongoing SEO, such that they have to incorporate more and more filtering to keep out slop. But what we have now is just garbage on all levels.

[Siwastaja]

I find DuckDuckGo to be better.

I tried it for a few weeks when every cool kid said it's good and even better. Was unable to find anything, had to google everything anyway, so no point using it when you can't cut the dependence to Google.

[Analog Kid]

I find DuckDuckGo to be better.

I tried it for a few weeks when every cool kid said it's good and even better. Was unable to find anything, had to google everything anyway, so no point using it when you can't cut the dependence to Google.

Same here.
I used to be a Duck Duck Go devotee, really liked their emphasis on privacy, used them for a couple years (this was a few years ago).
Then I discovered that their search results were inferior to Google. So now I just bite my tongue and use Google.
Too bad.

[hwasti]

You are either the customer or you are the product. There is no 3rd option.

How much are you paying Google for their search services? If the answer is "nothing", then you are not the customer.

[SiliconWizard]

I find DuckDuckGo to be better.

I use it as my default as well and only resort to Google search when the former is not enough. Maybe 1/4th of the time or so.
DuckDuckGo also uses sneaky sponsored links but they are not as intrusive and you don't always notice them.
Better than nothing.

[JLCPCB Official]

Thank you for sharing your experience and we apologize for the frustration you've experienced. We value your input and take it seriously.
Providing excellent customer service and clear, accurate information is a top priority for us. Could you please share your order number? I’d like to investigate the matter further and work to resolve the issue for you.

[Analog Kid]

You are either the customer or you are the product. There is no 3rd option.

How much are you paying Google for their search services? If the answer is "nothing", then you are not the customer.

But who in the world pays for search? or for browsers? or for a hundred other things online?

Answer: nobody.

We are all "the product".

[SiliconWizard]

I wasnt going to order anyway, but wanted some information. I have been customer at JLCPCB, but they literally said to a complaint: "Your PCB is in spec, just look at the specs on our chinese site". This spec of tolerance was never stated on the english site, and they did not even refund a single dollar of my 300$ order... 

Would be interesting to get more details about what spec exactly this is. Could help others that may run into the same issue/misunderstanding.

[tooki]

I find DuckDuckGo to be better.

It was one of the ones I tested and had no real success with.

[tggzzz]

I tried changing my default search engine for nearly 2 years (trying various alternatives) but recently ended that experiment, since I ended up needing to repeat the search on Google probably 2/3 of the time.

Quoted for truth. But weirdest thing is that Google's search is utter and total crap for finding anything useful (except those company front pages you mention) - yet others are still even worse, and by a large margin!

It's not surprising at all ChatGPT is so popular for "asking questions". It has replaced what people used Google for 25 years ago.

Forme the rot really set in when gurgle decided to prioritise new stuff over good stuff (i.e.page rank)

Consequence: stuff that has stood the test of time over decades is ignord, whereas yesterday's inane incorrect wittering is thrust in your face.I

Game over.

[tooki]

Forme the rot really set in when gurgle decided to prioritise new stuff over good stuff (i.e.page rank)

Page rank isn’t the name for some new “prioritize new stuff” approach. Page rank is simply the score assigned to a page by the algorithm, and Google has always called it that. How it gets calculated has changed over the years, and the exact algorithm is kept secret to thwart SEO assholes.

[tggzzz]

Forme the rot really set in when gurgle decided to prioritise new stuff over good stuff (i.e.page rank)

Page rank isn’t the name for some new “prioritize new stuff” approach. Page rank is simply the score assigned to a page by the algorithm, and Google has always called it that. How it gets calculated has changed over the years, and the exact algorithm is kept secret to thwart SEO assholes.

I appreciate that.

Originally pages' contents were ranked, a big advance over Yahoo's directory. Nowadays pages' metadata is ranked, along with other crap we aren't interested in.

[tooki]

Forme the rot really set in when gurgle decided to prioritise new stuff over good stuff (i.e.page rank)

Page rank isn’t the name for some new “prioritize new stuff” approach. Page rank is simply the score assigned to a page by the algorithm, and Google has always called it that. How it gets calculated has changed over the years, and the exact algorithm is kept secret to thwart SEO assholes.

I appreciate that.

Originally pages' contents were ranked, a big advance over Yahoo's directory. Nowadays pages' metadata is ranked, along with other crap we aren't interested in.

Google’s algorithm has never been that simple.

The thing that made Google special when it launched was that it looked at how many other pages linked to the page, under the assumption that a page that is often linked to is more reputable than one rarely linked to.

It’d be absolutely wrong to say that content isn’t considered now; it’s still obviously one of the key things. Many pages do not have metadata sufficient to index them usefully.

While the algorithm is secret, many aspects are known. Content matters. Proper server configuration matters. Page age matters. The reputation of the website as a whole matters. Advertising dollars matter. (Sadly.) And of course, in addition to evaluating aspects that increase a page’s Page Rank, there are aspects that decrease it, or get it thrown out entirely as junk. I’m guessing some of that is the “crap we aren’t interested in” that you speak of, but it isn’t useless, as knowing what to downrank is just as important as knowing what to uprank.

[eTobey]

That might be of interest:

[Analog Kid]

Good content.
But I wonder if he would ever consider ... slowing down. Just a little bit.
Guy sounds like he's hopped up on meth or something.