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Berni:

--- Quote from: IanB on November 11, 2021, 03:10:13 pm ---This is another thing that I find annoying, that recent computers do not power off when you put them in sleep mode like older computers used to do. There is this thing called "modern sleep", which means the computer remains switched on, but in a low power mode, like phones. Because it is switched on, it can still come to life and do things when you are away. I want it so that off means off. Whoever led this change in hardware design was not making things better for users.

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It still is the same kind of sleep mode. The PSU switches off while the motherboard uses the 5V standby rail to hold the RAM contents.

The thing is that various hardware also runs from the 5V standby rail and has the ability to wake the computer from sleep using an interrupt line (Much like interrupts are used to wake up a MCU from sleep). The OS configures the interrupt sources appropriately before entering sleep mode to determine what can wake it up (and this is configurable if you dig deep enough). The obvious source of a wake up interrupt is the power button, but typically anything being a keyboard or mouse is configured for wakeup, network cards can wake up a PC upon receiving a wake on lan packet, laptops usually send a wake up signal when the battery is almost empty(typically used to transition into hibernation before it dies). It is also possible to set an alarm in the RTC chip, this can wake it up at any predetermined date and time in the future, this is what windows might use to schedule a surprise secret update during the night. This ability was in the hardware for a long time now, it's just that Microsoft only now started using it for evil purposes.

My solution is still sticking to Win 7 for the time being. So far i have not seen Win 10 do anything nice that Win 7 can't do. That is apart from the artificial walls that are put in to make your life on Win 7 more difficult, like making drivers refuse to install on it (Yet they work perfectly fine once you have a hack that skips the OS check error message) or some new software that uses APIs that are made to be incompatible with Win7 on purpose. So far i have been able to find a way around these walls, but we will see for how long.
IanB:

--- Quote from: Berni on November 11, 2021, 06:34:30 pm ---It still is the same kind of sleep mode. The PSU switches off while the motherboard uses the 5V standby rail to hold the RAM contents.

The thing is that various hardware also runs from the 5V standby rail and has the ability to wake the computer from sleep using an interrupt line (Much like interrupts are used to wake up a MCU from sleep).
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Traditional sleep mode is as you say, and older computers did this. However, what I read (and have experienced) is that "Modern Standby" is different. The CPU does not switch off, it remains on in a low power state and is still able to execute code. Therefore, it does not need a hardware event to wake the system; the system keeps running in standby mode and the CPU continues to execute background tasks.

With traditional sleep, it was possible to disable all the hardware wake events in the BIOS and the system would remain powered off. With Modern Standby you cannot achieve the same result, as the CPU never powers off completely.


--- Quote ---The complexity of Modern Standby is a result of keeping the system alive to process background tasks, while ensuring that the system stays quiet enough to achieve long battery life.
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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby
MadTux:
Good thing I switched over to Linux 20 years ago ;-D
Uptime of 1/2 year or so, no problem, even with a Thinkpad, no server hardware needed....
Zero999:
Presumably the data wasn't being sent over the Internet and it was being stored locally on the hard drive. If so, then why not simply unplug it from the Internet? That's what I would do, if I needed to run a Winwoe$ PC, without it randomly rebooting.
SiliconWizard:
You can disable this if you have at least a Pro edition of Win 10, but it looks like Win 10 likes to reset those settings back to automatic after some updates. So after updating, you may need to check those settings again. Just in case. Oh yes, this is lovely.

Can't wait to own a car with a Microsoft OS.
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