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| james_s:
--- Quote from: Berni on November 12, 2021, 11:50:09 am ---The problem is that other car manufacturers also look at Tesla and copy the idea. Dad has a more modern 2020 Volvo and it also went to the big touchscreen and minimal physical buttons. For example the only way to adjust the climate control is using the touchscreen. Same for heated seats. I think among the things that have a physical button is the hazzard lights, window defroster, volume up/down and play pause, along with a home button (that puts you into the main menu similar to a iphone). Yet they dedicate significant surface area down lower on the center console for a silly start button that you actually turn 1/8 turn to start rather than just push and some fancy large scroll wheel for selecting the drive mode between eco/normal/sport (That also takes up the whole center console screen with a menu when you spin it, has a fixed timeout before it hides, and always defaults to normal drive mode on start rather that remembering the setting. --- End quote --- Volvo died years ago and exists now in name only. I'll keep my 1990 740 as long as I possibly can, the 850s are also lovely cars and exemplify what Volvo once was, my mom has a 1996 that is a fantastic car. I would never buy one of the current models, I see nothing of the Volvo heritage in any of them. They started turning into bloated luxury cars in the late 90s and turned completely away from the focus on extremely practical, rugged, long lasting and safe cars that they were legendary for making. For many years most of the outdoorsy types around here all had Volvos, campgrounds and parking lots at the hiking trails were crawling with them. Now that entire market has been handed to Subaru for some years. |
| SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: james_s on November 12, 2021, 10:42:37 pm --- --- Quote from: madires on November 12, 2021, 04:27:49 pm ---But that implies that you have either paid support (just a short term solution) or don't connect that PC to any network with internet access. --- End quote --- Support? I've never used it. I turned Windows update of completely back around 2015 and never looked back. It's connected to the internet and I use it every day, I've ignored all of the "sky is falling" Chicken Littles for years and so far so good. I have an old XP system that I use occasionally for stuff that needs it, also connected to the internet. I'm pretty careful about what I do, my whole network is behind a firewall/NAT and I keep a pretty close eye on traffic. I know a lot of people with fully modern updated systems who have been infected by things despite being up to date, and I firmly believe that it is mostly down to user behavior, you can't patch the user. When the behavior of modern software is virtually indistinguishable from that of malware and viruses I'll take my chances. --- End quote --- I have applied most updates myself on Win 7, but couldn't care less about them having stopped. If you half know what you're doing, there nothing much to worry about. My network is behind a decent router with firewall, I always check everything I download... Never had a single issue for as long as I can remember. And occasional fuck-ups on Windows (especially 10) updates have given people signficant grief too. Pick your poison. Now for less tech-inclined people, that would be another story of course. If you must consider computers for your kids, for instance, that's a different approach! But if you're in the context of a company, especially one with an IT service, you will have no problem paying for support, and will probably do so anyway if you have a good reason for sticking with an older version of Windows. In this context, the IT manager has responsabilities for the whole company and a bunch of employees using machines in who knows what way. Completely different environment. |
| David Hess:
--- Quote from: Berni on November 12, 2021, 11:50:09 am ---The problem is that other car manufacturers also look at Tesla and copy the idea. --- End quote --- Car manufacturers copied the stupid monostable shifter which looks like a shifter that indicates state, but does not and operates completely differently, leading to accidents, deaths, and lawsuits. |
| MrMobodies:
I had to go through a lot of aggravation to deal with this problem. Now I got it the way I want. I can turn on and off USCORE service so it don't automatically start. I have taken care of Task scheduler because USOCORE recreates the keys and denies the administrator and all other accounts access. So note down what is in it c:\windows\system32\tasks\microsoft\UpdateOrchester (with the service off), set inherit and set permission to do so and then delete the entries and set the SYSTEM account write permission to deny. do the same in registry, you'd need to find the task noted down, delete the values but keep the keeps and this time deny not "system" but TrustedInstaller access to them. Also another service that turns the update on as well Waasmedic. I use to loose my temper when I discovered this behaviour upon I finding an Acer down the skip in 2019 preloaded with Windows 10 Pro. Now I just use Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 from a disk image with everything set in the way I want so I can copy it and I always trying to improve it from time to time when I discover something that I don't like. I think MSpaint is something I am trying to sort out now. I am looking to either replace it with a previous version that won't do that or remove it find something else as it has this message that soon it will disappear one day but will be available in the "app store". No no no no no! I do not want "install a stupid app on your pc!" just to use something so basic and bundled for around three decades? |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 13, 2021, 12:09:33 am ---Now for less tech-inclined people, that would be another story of course. If you must consider computers for your kids, for instance, that's a different approach! But if you're in the context of a company, especially one with an IT service, you will have no problem paying for support, and will probably do so anyway if you have a good reason for sticking with an older version of Windows. In this context, the IT manager has responsabilities for the whole company and a bunch of employees using machines in who knows what way. Completely different environment. --- End quote --- For non-technical people no amount of patching really solves that problem, I finally set up my mom with a locked down limited user account because I got tired of formatting the hard drive and reinstalling every time she somehow managed to break the system. Other people are so much worse, back before my friend's business had one of those contract IT services I was their IT guy and I was constantly cleaning up systems that were infected with piles of different stuff. This was back when Windows 7 was fully supported and I kept everything completely up to date but that didn't stop people from being idiots and installing stuff. I have yet to ever see an unpatched flaw exploited on a desktop, it's ALWAYS the user, and the more you lock down the machines, the higher your workload installing and configuring stuff for employees. Public facing servers are of course a completely different ball of wax, keeping those update is imperative. I *have* seen servers get compromised by outside attackers before. |
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